I’m just hoping stuff like this is going to replace the monthly pit rape threads…
Sort of like Handicapped Month instead of Rape Month?
I’m not actually that interested in karma, I see it as another religious rationalisation of bad luck, which is what’s actually happened to the OP. However, the idea that a selfish, entitled whinging arsehole like the OP ends up, far from getting what they falsely think they’re entitled to, in fact end up not even being able to do what they previously could, strikes me as having the appearance of cosmic justice.
If someone were to say it to me, I would be pissed off - I assume that’s the response you were looking for? I would also wonder why I’d earned it being said to me, and consider whether it was merited, and if it were, if I need to change the way I act. But then, I’m a little more self aware and a little less entitled than the OP.
Considering he’s started yet another one (handicapable bathroom stalls), I’d say yes. Yes, it is.
They all start out in Great Debates and get moved (or locked) to the Pit, as he can’t see past his original opinion.
So, like I said, What part of the ADA is involved here? I wonder if you know. How a business markets itself and what is legally required of them are two different things. Since you are trying to attack this from a legal standpoint, you’re gonna have to come up with the specific laws or ordinances or whatever that were broken by them deeming a** non-standard** exercise a risk they weren’t comfortable allowing.
Well, I’m not the one who’s trying to force MY will, a will that is influenced heavily by a personal disability, onto other people. In this situation, I would not try to force anyone to do anything. The guy parking in a handicapped spot gets reported, and I move on with my life. The gym that won’t allow a certain kind of exercise for fear of legal repercussions, well they don’t get my business anymore.
Why is that so hard for you? You are pushing your perception of what is correct a little too far. Once you realize that you have ZERO popular support, and your case must be built on hype and spin, at what point do you get off the douchebag bandwagon and just go about your life? Seriously, there are no handicapped people who are suffering a blow to their ego because you aren’t going to get the wheelchair pullup standardized across America. There’s zero humiliation or discrimination there.
Come up with the specific infraction against the ADA, and even I will back you up. You can send me a petition and I’ll put my signature on it. Fire it off to the congressman or whomever will effect the change. Hell, almost everyone on this board would back you up. Until then, just quit making so damn much noise over nothing.
I think it’s more likely you would probably the person is a total asshole without considering why they’d said it. That’s usually what people do when they’re angry. I don’t think you’re an asshole, but that’s a lousy, callous thing to say. I agree jamiemcgarry comes off as entitled is some of his posts - although not as much as some people are suggesting - but unless you’re trying to kill someone at the time, I don’t think you can deserve being paralyzed from the waist down. There’s nothing to be gained by suggesting it, and as far as I’m concerned it’s a cruel thing to say.
It remains unclear what the gym is supposed to do about able-bodied drivers taking handicap spots. The law requires they have these spots, but is the gym obliged to call police? Refuse service? Impose fines? Revoke memberships as it may apply?
It may have been several things. I recall a few threads here from people who work in retail who’ve come to realize that a very small number of their customers create a majority of their headaches, and that simply refusing service to these particular customers more than makes up for the lost business. In this case, the OP potentially created an altercation in the parking lot (and I don’t buy that such an altercation was impossible) which is something any customer, handicapped or not, could do, and the gym manager may have decided that the OP’s continued business is not worth risking another occurrence.
Frankly, if I was that gym manager, I can see myself deciding the same way. The OP may indeed be morally in the right on the parking issue but the moment he decided to block in another car, he ran a risk that could have involved my establishment in a messy police manner, and that’s a headache I don’t need. If the OP was some famous paralympian, maybe I’d reconsider, but now he’s got his name and the name of my gym in the newspapers, and he’s hinting at some kind of discrimination-based legal action… in all honesty, I would probably decide that best thing for my gym is for him to not be a member any more. If I start getting lawyer letters and such, I can picture offering to refund his membership fee (assuming my own lawyer agrees that this is a good idea), but barring some court telling me that I have to readmit him, he stays out.
Why is anyone still trying to engage the OP in rational conversation. All that matters is his opnion and to hell with you if you don’t kowtow to it and him. He might not be an intentional troll but his monomania sure does have his posts being no different than trolling as he flat out refuses to accept that his view of the law is not based on said law. He’s offended and that means the person who offended him must suffer and suffer big. Nah, not trollish exactly. More like childish, of the Terrible Twos variety.
It might be a while until I considered it, but I would do so.
It may be a cruel and unpleasant thing to say, but it’s a hell of a lot less unpleasant than blocking someone’s car in, for whatever reason. As for deserving it, no, of course he doesn’t. It’s bad luck, nothing more. But he’s been provided with a great deal of help, some legally mandated and some not, and is extraordinarily ungrateful for it, and frankly more worthy of scorn than compassion.
“his view of the law is not based on said law”
? If I somehow gave this impression, forgive me. I am not a legal expert by any definition and make no claims of such.
No, you don’t make claims of being an expert, but yet you somehow believe that your opinion is the only valid one, and if anyone else has one they aren’t experts. I don’t have the time to go chasing down each post where you asked if the poster knew what the hell they were talking about, but everyone here knows you have done so.
If you’re not a legal expert, there are a few options:
- You consulted an attorney before writing to the DOJ with your ADA-based complaint and got backing for your opinion; or
- You consider the plain text of the ADA so clear that you were able to quote the specific section of the ADA that you believe the gym violated; or
- You kinda think the law is about vibes, man, and the vibe of the ADA is that you should like be able to do anything that able-bodied people can do, ya dig?
My impression is that #3 is the closest to the approach you took. While the spirit of the ADA is certainly that businesses should make reasonable accommodations, the DOJ is not interested in the spirit of the law: they’re interested in the letter of the law. Unless you can cite the specific section of law that was violated, it seems quixotic at best to complain about a violation of the law.
Well, we already know the OP doesn’t give a hoot about violations of law. He merely gives a hoot about actions that offend him. His own illegal actions, on the other hand, are hunky dory and damn the torpedoes, along with you, if you dare to point that out.
Moral of story: two wrongs don’t make a right.
Why can such a simple concept be so elusive sometimes?
Sorry James not much sympathy coming to you from this direction.
I was advised to pursue the ADA route by my physiatrist, who is personally familiar with ADA lawsuits. His wife owns and operates a horse-farm which specializes in horse-riding for the disabled. Like I said, I’m not a legal expert but considering the position I found myself in, I had nothing to lose by pursuing this route.
I would recommend that you consult with an attorney who is familiar with ADA lawsuits, not a physiatrist.
Would you ask a lawyer for advice on how to ride a horse?
Regards,
Shodan
No, I agree 100%. I am simply saying this in response to those who think I’m reacting to my own “vibe” i’ve gotten from the incident or my own gut instinct alone.
You seem to spaz right out if anyone does anything which you perceive as infringing on your rights yet don’t seem to be able to recognize when you are doing the same thing.
For instance you think it’s ok to ignore fire codes if a restaurant is empty but it’s not ok for someone to park in a handicapped spot if there are other spots empty.
When anyone points this out to you, you start shrieking with “doesn’t ANYone read???” and “this board IS full of illiterates!!!”
What you fail to recognize is that most people would actually agree with you that people shouldn’t park in handicapped spots if they don’t need it. And having your folded up wheelchair beside your table is really not a big deal.
But your presentation and attitude are just so objectionable that you actually make people disagree with things they’d normally agree with.
And remember, not everything is everyone elses fault. You are to blame for just as many things that go wrong in your life, just like everyone else.
Uh, lol, the only times I utter such remarks as the ones you’ve quoted above are when people have either completely misread what I’ve written or are commenting on things which i’ve flat out never said. Now, differing opinions coming from a genuine disagreement from my actual p.o.v. or my actual words, THAT is a different story. 