I acknowledge that you, Yog, and perhaps others share this view. I thnk it’s comical pretzel logic, but what can you do. Under your construction, every single type of firearm can be restricted and as long as there is a single firearm allowed, then that would not be a gun ban.
Would you consider the phrase “Obama never ever tried to ban guns” equivalent to “Obama never ever tried to ban all guns”?
The concept of “total” is not contemplated in a traditional definition of the word ban. So when the phrase “ban guns” is used, the only requirement is that there were multiple guns being forbidden or prohibited.
How do you explain that you can’t own a nuke? Is that a firearms ban? I’m serious, I want an answer to that question. Americans can’t own every type of weapon imaginable, every type of firearms or personal protection devices available, does that equate to a ban on the whole thing? Or is it just maybe you guys are trying to equate in the minds of the voting public a partial ban to a whole ban?
You forgot something:
That should read “all” and “some”. As in “That’s not banning** all** books. It’s only banning some books”
The false equivalency of assuming “all” and “some” are synonyms will never be correct. Never.
That you refuse to admit there is a continuum of choices from ban to total unrestricted access is what’s more comical. Until you believe otherwise, there’s no debate
Let’s go through your questions:
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[li]A nuke doesn’t qualify as “arms”.[/li][li]Because a nuke is not a firearm, a ban on nukes is not a ban on firearms. A ban on nukes is also not a ban on wagons.[/li][li]That Americans can’t own every type of weapon imaginable, etc. that does not equate to a ban on the whole thing - for most interpretations of what you are construing as “the whole thing”.[/li][li]No - I’ve never equated a partial ban to a whole ban.[/li][/ol]
A ban is a ban. A total ban is a total ban. These are different, do you agree?
Really? Where are the “all” and “some” in your 1st and 3rd sentences here:
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Oh I know there is a continuum. The denial of reality and the English language when you try to equivocate on that continuum, or when Czar says plainly that unless there is a total ban then it doesn’t count as a ban…that’s what’s funny. I pose to you the same question that I did to Czar -
Would you consider the phrase “Obama never ever tried to ban guns” equivalent to “Obama never ever tried to ban all guns”?
YOUR coyness notwithstanding, apparently I can go to California right now and buy a handgun. Are you disputing that fact? I have no background information to disqualify me.
You are disputing the fact that a CA resident, with nothing in their background to disqualify them from purchasing a handgun in accordance with the laws of California, can purchase a handgun?
ok, that’s fine. I move to CA and change my residency, and have nothing in my background to disqualify me from owning a gun. Can I buy a handgun in CA or not?
Or, you could stop being a jerk, and answer the question like a normal person would. Can a resident of CA, with no disqualifying marks in their history, purchase a handgun in CA?
Ok. When was your handgun saftey certificate issued?
And to continue two streams at once, do you agree with the statemen that every single type of firearm can be restricted and as long as there is a single firearm allowed, then that would not be a gun ban?
ThAt is not enough information to determine if you would be permitted to purchase. There needs to be an issue date for your handgun saftey certificate. Without being able to verify a validly issued handgun saftey certificate you would be denied.
Same scenario - all but one model firearm is banned. Is that a gun ban?
That seems overly nitpicky for a general discussion.
Is it possible for me to purchase a handgun in CA or not? Can I, a normal citizen of the state of CA, purchase a handgun? Is it possible? Are there so many laws and such that I can’t purchase a handgun in CA?
I know right? Why not just redefine what words mean and ascribe or eliminate meaning of words entirely. No need to be nitpicky about equivocation.
As I said, you haven’t provided enough information for that determination. It may be possible, it may not be. There are many laws that would prohibit you from purchasing. These are just threshold items.