Oh, so do you visit left-wing conspiracy sites? Don’t bother answering, because people who visit them don’t know they are conspiracy sites.
Some of us are smart enough to tell the difference. YMMV.
The “Rubber -Glue” argument?
You’re a genius!
Misremembered = I was wrong.
And the quote came from someone who explicitly stated they were opening up a dialogue about this, that this did NOT mean they supported the idea, and that this represented THEIR OWN views, and not the WEF. This was posted in the thread.
So no. The quote did NOT come from the WEF. Your sources (whatever they may be) said this, but they were lying.
And your re-writing history to try to claim that you were merely posting this to display what the right wing was saying is simply not credible. You did not explain that in post #33 of the thread in question, and you appear to have invented this rationale much later, presumably in order to save face and avoid admitting you were wrong to tar the WEF with this brush.
The thing is, I think you actually believe your post hoc excuses for your behaviour.
And being wrong is okay, I’m wrong all the fucking time.
But I try to be honest when I am and I generally apologize too.
How someone can not understand that saying this,
The Anti‑Defamation League says the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is true.
when the actual cite says,
The Anti‑Defamation League says many anti-Semites think the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is true.
is what he’s doing is beyond me.
This, ISTM, is the likeliest explanation for most of Sam’s right-wing reglurgitation, so to speak. He can flag and reject left-wing glurge based on his own dislike of its viewpoint, but a lot of the right-wing glurge doesn’t ping his implausibility detector.
Frequently, something that Sam complains about as some kind of “worrying trend” is left over from some recent ill-informed social-media meltdown, as with the September 2023 kerfuffle about the “you will own nothing” quote from a 2016 (!) WEF article (which, as noted by other posters, was not actually promoting the “you will own nothing” position). For some reason, anti-liberal and/or anti-WEF “influencers” in late 2023 thought this seven-year-old video was a useful source of misleadingly described recreational-outrage content about those horrid socialist types, and some iteration of that evidently got into Sam’s feed and he bought it.
Mind you, I doubt that Sam himself really knows for sure most of the time which of the right-wing glurgebites he actually believes, and which he’s reserving judgement about. That would require his actually making the effort to track down the sources and evidentiary support for their claims, which as we’ve seen he’s mostly not interested in doing. Not really bothering to be sure of his facts gives him both an endless supply of potential criticisms of “liberal policies”, and an endless retreat into deniability when yet another of the claims that he confidently asserted turns out not to be true.
I think this is fair. I also think it apples to everyone, including the participants in this thread. I like to think I do better than most, because I go explicitly out of my way to try to stay out of an intellectual bubble. Which is why I’m engaging here in the first place.
Except I didn’t. The only thing I thought was true was that Klaus himself said it. It apparently wasn’t him, but presenters and authors at the WEF. But I have now written probably half a dozen messages explaining that I DON’T believe that.
I offered it up in the first place because someone asked “Why do people think the WEF is socialist?” And I said, “Maybe because of this Klaus Schwab quote”. Then I went on to explain how the quote DOES NOT say what the right is claiming, but it’s easy to misinterpret or intentionally conflate ideas because of the way the WEF works.
Since then, I have repeatedly had to argue against the strawman that I’m buying into the right-wing glurge about the WEF wanting to enslave us and take our property. But no one seems to read that or acknowledge it. Instead, they are assigning to me everything they believe about the ‘crazy right’.
I think part of the problem is that we live in such a partisan time that people can’t conceive of someone holding some ideas of the ‘other’ side without buying into all of them, or even a majority of them. So I get called a right-wing nut here, and a commie sympathiser if I post anything contradictory to the right’s narrative where they can see it. It’s incredibly tiresome, and makes me understand why most people prefer to just stay in their happy safe space with like minded people where they can shoot spitballs at the ‘enemy’ and feel good about it.
And, it doesn’t need to be a site, and Sam just showed how dim he is, I was talking about a different conservative poster, that he thought that I was talking about him should show that he falls for a lot of disinformation in the same way. Disinformation that the right/conspiracy sources are distributing to the ones that want their prejudices to be confirmed.
I was asking to see if you were talking about me, because you were being fairly oblique. That’s not ‘falling for disinformation’. It’s asking for clarity.
And that was not policy from the WEF anyhow, remember, Reuters branded the misinterpretation or misleading info from the right as false, including that it was not what the “fascist” WEF proposes. So, you thought it was the truth, and you don’t believe that… 
I SAID that. Repeatedly. In bold letters. I don’t think saying anything more to you is going to penetrate that fog of hatred you’ve got going. So let’s agree to just stop talking to each other.
Piffle, you did not wait for the clarification, you added the dumb arguments to your post. As you do in many discussions.
Sure, you did said that what you thought that it was true. And you don’t believe it. You should stop talking to yourself then.
Nah, I don’t think that’s the problem here. I think all of us on the Dope are constantly bumping up against opinions we disagree with espoused by posters we mostly do agree with. I can think of several minor spats I’ve had in just the past three or four weeks with posters like LHoD, Riemann, DSeid, MandaJo, etc., on something that we simply don’t see eye to eye about, without any of us assuming that we’re automatically on opposite sides of a major ideological partisan divide.
If it seems to you that one person doesn’t understand you, the problem might well be with that person’s lack of understanding. If it seems to you that nobody in the group you’re talking to understands you, on the other hand, the problem is most likely you.
And making up self-flattering explanations about ideological partisanship and the “hive mind” preventing the group from accurately perceiving reality is not doing anything to solve that problem.
Yes, yes, I’m sure that’s “the” problem. The ‘problem’ isn’t that the board is being used to self-validate a predetermined worldview, complete with persecution complex
He doesn’t want the problem solved-then people won’t talk about him so much. I can almost believe he is posting these errors on purpose, just to raise the level of heat. He isn’t going to leave unless forced to-If he went to other sites with political ideas closer to his own then he would just be another minnow in a large pond.
Funny, no one here ever calls me a right-wing nut.
I wonder why that is…
If it means that much to you, PM me.
You really don’t ask for much.
This. He’s gone waaaaay beyond just being wrong, to the point he is trolling. He wants to see himself as the lone intellectual rebel amongst a bunch of lesser beings. That’s why he won’t admit his cites (when he even bothers) are garbage. It doesn’t matter. He’s a low-rent Eloon - he wants the headspace, and the nerd-rage, and the fact that he can troll all of us and we can’t do anything because he clings to the very edge of what’s allowed.
So he gets to play the uber-man and the victim at the same time. It’s pathetic.
(oh, and if Sam is reading, if any NEW poster went as far as you did, they’d have been banned as an almost certain troll, so if anything, you’re being coddled, which I hope ends sooner than later)
Of course he is. Just like he comes in here every now and then to kick this thread like a hornet nest and then complain about how much he’s getting stung.