Hey, one debunking of Sam at a time. Let’s not gish-gallop this. First, show me that the laptop wasn’t real and that the whole thing was Russian disinformation as claimed by the people personally attacking me for two years. Then we can move on to Durham.
What damaging info has been validated?
You can shove that strawman up your ass sideways. If anybody once said that, they aren’t here now.
Gish-gallop?? Oh noes, I am totally overwhelmed by TWO questions!!
Here you go, here is a free link.
Here are the money quotes:
The examinations of the portable drive by Green and Williams were largely inconclusive. Both researchers, who worked independently of each other, determined that the data contained on the drive was so compromised by a variety of factors that definitive conclusions about most of its contents were impossible.
But they did agree that nearly 22,000 emails contained on the portable drive were authentic — meaning they contained cryptographic signatures that indicated they came from the accounts that they claimed to be from and had not been manipulated in some way.
So Biden had a lap top and that laptop contained emails some of which were authentic.
Wasn’t the main issue with Hunter Biden’s laptop that Twitter effectively banned a New York Post article about it in the weeks before the 2020 election?
Actually, on your way to disparage everyone, you conveniently forgot that me and others approached this with the understanding that the laptop and emails could be real, but the reported scandals that were inside were found to be misunderstandings or gross innuendo from right wing sources of information, just like they did with the “climate gate” and Clinton emails.
Your demand here that we have to “show you that the laptop was not real” is then just a rotten to the core red herring. A just good for nothing talking point that only shows bad faith.
And if this was said outside of the Pit, it would be a rules violation. Hence why the debate is happening here.
Lol, a thread about facts and the Right devolves into the usual idiocy re: Hunter Biden’s laptop and the Durham investigation.
If this is what I got to defend my ideological proclivities, I’d sit down and think 'er over, contemplate what exactly I’m doing with my life.
Boy, that’s a whole lot of information that is entirely NOT damaging and no more interesting than the likelihood that Hunter might sometimes (horrors!) watch dirty movies.
Once again, this is a bullshit, nonsense story, and you’ve offered absolutely nothing to the contrary. That Hunter had a laptop is not a scandal. That he sent emails is not a scandal. That he might have looked at porn is not a scandal. There’s nothing even approaching a scandal here. There’s nothing at all. And you’re still falling for it.
Mind. Blown.
I guaranty some of those sex cam site workers were . . . RUSSIANS!!!111!!!
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I think it’s still an open question whether this laptop was actually owned by Hunter Biden. It’s possible that someone took an image of the drive of Hunter’s actual laptop and copied it to a different laptop. The story of how it ended up in a Trump supporters shop never quite added up.
I’ve looked into the Hunter Biden laptop investigation myself, and the real disinformation wasn’t about the laptop itself, it was the insinuation that there was something on it that incriminated his father. That insinuation has been proven to be completely and utterly false.
Michael Bender of the Wall Street Journal has defended their decision not to cover the story pre-election. He said he was called into a meeting, presented with selective information that came from the laptop and asked to write the story that information supported. He refused. He agreed to investigate it properly if they were given full forensic information from the laptop, warning it would take time, and the people pushing the story refused at that time. Note that the WSJ is a conservative paper with a conservative agenda.
Some of this tied into a piece of Russian-generated disinformation regarding Ukraine, which was the idea that Joe Biden had pushed for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating the company his son worked for. This is one of those insidious statements that is technically true but completely false.
The truth is that the prosecutor was in cahoots with young Biden’s employer, and he had deliberately botched an investigation into a large sum of ill-gotten money, rightfully belonging to the Ukrainian people, that had been seized by the UK. Because of the actions of this prosecutor, the money was returned to Hunter’s boss instead of the Ukrainian people, causing great outrage in certain circles. Joe Biden, acting as VP of the US, did not hesitate to push for the firing of the corrupt prosecutor even though those actions went against the interest of his son’s employer.
Anyone with half a brain should’ve picked up on the underlying falsehood of the “Joe Biden pushed to fire the prosecutor that was investigating his sons boss” statement, yet Trump tried to shake down the Ukrainian President over this lie.
The e-mails regarding Ukraine on the laptop were used to promote the idea that Hunter referred to his father as “the big guy”, although if you read beyond the highlighted portions published by the NY Post, it was blatantly apparent that “the big guy” was a Ukrainian national.
Then there is the even more ridiculous allegation that Joe Biden was somehow a silent partner in an investment banking deal that Hunter Biden was working on with a Chinese company. First, it’s not really a scandal that an investment banker, even one you don’t like, would be working on an investment banking deal. And this is where we get to the laughable allegations of Tony Bobulinski, who was a potential partner in the deal.
See, one day when Hunter and Tony were meeting, Joe stopped by to say hello. Literally.
Actually, I think he said hello to Bobulinski and thanked him for his military service and maybe wished them good luck in the business venture. Bobulinski has some ridiculous story about he he was told that Joe was part of the business deal but he was going to come into the meeting and say hello and pretend he knew nothing about it and Bobulinski was told to play along. I’ll even concede that maybe Hunter fed that story to Bobulinski, but it would take a real idiot to believe it.
I will also add at this point that Joe Biden was a private citizen at this time and legally and morally entitled to engage in private business ventures.
There’s just no evidence that he was involved in this one. And there’s no evidence that he was “the big guy” referred to on the e-mails in the China deal….reporters that have viewed all the emails in context say he appears to be referring to a Chinese national. And, even if he was “the big guy”, all that proves is that Hunter told a third party he intended to cut his dad in on his business deal, it doesn’t prove that Joe knew about it and it doesn’t even prove that Hunter really intended to do so.
Hunter Biden, like many entitled and connected young men of his generation, was given too many opportunities for too much easy money and was unable to handle it, resulting in drug problems and sketchy behavior.
But, unlike the three oldest Trump children, he’s never been politically or professionally involved with his father in any way, shape or form….and the disinformation that was used in an attempt to drum up that connection failed miserably.
Then we get to the fact that even if the laptop and it’s contents were substantially real, and I’ll concede that — because if they were going to plant incriminating information they really could’ve done better, it still appears to have been found and leaked by foreign nationals aligned with Russian interests. Which would’ve been a scandal in years past, but not anymore, I guess.
There seems to be ample evidence that Hunter Biden is a sleazebag who parlayed family connections into lucrative positions for which he was spectacularly unqualified. The worst to date that can be said about his father is that he should have disowned the smarmy little creep long ago, but parents are loath to do that sort of thing.
Hunter quite possibly will be indicted for something, like tax or foreign lobbying violations and even have to spend a little time in prison. But it’s difficult to portray this as Watergate II.
Actually, one thing that disturbs me about this story is this kind of smear on Hunter Biden. True, he had lots of problems and engaged in lots of sleazy behavior, but I think he was pretty well qualified for most of the jobs he took- totally unqualified people don’t graduate from Harvard Law or get jobs at firms like Boies Schiller Flexner, even if their daddy is a senator.
You mean like virtually the entire family of Donald Trump?
Honest question; why the fuck do we let Republican talking points like Hunter Biden’s laptop computer or the Benghazi dominate the conversation when there are real problems, like the utter corruption of the Trump administration, the January 6 coup attempt, etc? And why are we still talking about this stupid computer?
These scandals always get a bit weird because the legal way of doing corruption is so normal that going back and trying to figure out if someone would be qualified is basically impossible. The real special thing about the Trump family with all their business stuff is that they’re too stupid to go through the song and dance properly and maintain the surface level legitimacy.