A serious question for Sam Stone on Factual Errors

He loves to remind us how much he hates Trump, but when in need of examples of Presidents being liars his first picks are . . . Biden and Clinton?

You mean you never noticed Biden and Clinton manipulating Trump like a puppet? One above pulling strings, the other behind him with their hand…nm.

I assumed this thread was bumped due to this post…

One statement at a time:

“The vaccine didn’t stop transmission, and it didn’t stop infection.” False. The vaccine was highly effective at at reducing transmission and infection.

“There was plenty of pandemic among the vaccinated, and the unvaccinated weren’t putting others at more risk.” False. While some vaccinated people did get sick, equating the effects of COVID among vaccinated and unvaccinated groups is like saying a match is equal to a forest fire because they are both fires. Furthermore, the unvaccinated were unquestionably putting other people at risk. It’s bizarre to claim otherwise.

“Joe Biden is a misinformation machine.” False. Nice example of, “Every accusation is a confession,” though.

That and another recent post of his said that anti-wokeism is backlash against the left trying to impose themselves on everybody’s lives.

Yes, how inconsiderate of the left (you have to say it with venom and a sneer to really capture the Sam experience) to ask to treat everybody with kindness, respect, and equality. And can you imagine employers requiring employees to go through a brief DEI training (and in particular a certain psychologist who keeps breaking ethical rules)? Oh My GOD! The HORROR!!! THE HORRRORRRRRR!!! So my assumption is that in the alternate dimension where Sam is from the left are actually doing the things he says they’re doing because they sure as fork ain’t doing it here.

Meanwhile here in our reality, it is the right that is trying to actively control people, especially women.

And yes, you’re correct. That post is so full of falseness, that the ONLY possibility is that Sam lives in an alternate reality.

Or he’s forking delusional… huh I didn’t consider that…

Maybe he was just trying to give an example of the sorts of harmful misinformation that is out there.

Vaccines aren’t a magical power belt that creates a virus-killing energy shield that protects you.

While I’m sure that there a lot of people who don’t understand how a vaccine functions, willfully ignoring how they work by those who should know better seems likely to be a larger cause of most of the recent anti-vaccine movement.

“The Democratic party is positive towards vaccines, thus vaccines don’t do anything.” There’s no logic or pretense at honesty underlying the movement. It’s just baldfaced, politicized bullshitting. Sam almost certainly knows that he’s not being truthful.

If I had any skill at writing fiction, the one short story I would like to write would be satire in which two parallel earths somehow got connected by the internet so that the posters in each world would see the other side as completely disconnected from reality. I think that it would be the best analogy with where we find ourselves.

ETA: if there are any writers out there who want to steal this idea, feel free to do so (but maybe put me in the acknowledgements).

Mmmm… magic virus-killing energy shield… droooooool

I really don’t want to get isekai’d into the world that Sam is from.

Someone has already beaten you, as a full-length novel (I just read this a couple week ago and recommend it).

Figures. With over 7 billion people in the world, any new idea you have has probably already thought of by someone else. :frowning:

On the good side it means I don’t have to go to the trouble of bringing it out myself. :slightly_smiling_face:

Damn it, you have to cut out some words, so tat “Every new idea has already been thought of by someone else” becomes paradoxical.

They aren’t, I was fully vaccinated when I got sick. I assume that if I wasn’t vaccinated, it would have been worse.

I’ve only had it the one time, fortunately. And there are numerous reports showing that the vaccine reduces transmission rates, though from what I’ve read it varies based on the variant in question, and it’s less effective at reducing transmission than it is in reducing symptom severity and reducing the need for hospitalization.

When I got sick, I was bedridden for about a week, but was able to do it all at home. My wife and youngest daughter got sick, but my oldest daughter and her boyfriend (who were visiting at the time, bad timing) did not. I was the first one with symptoms. I was very careful to quarantine, and the few times I left my bedroom I had gloves, mask, and face shield, and stayed far away from everyone.

It should also be noted that a vaccine is only as good as your immune system. No t-cells, no vaccine efficacy because it’s no use for your body to know what to attack if it has no attackers. No memory B-cells, no vaccine efficacy because your body immediately forgets what it was told.

The best use of vaccine, for you, might have been to put it into others and not into your own body - depending on the strength of your immune system.

The whole garbage about vaccines from Sam is a classic False Dichotomy fallacy.

It starts off with a false premise, that no informed person would agree with:

  1. Vaccines claim to be a perfect solution and will stop all transmission and infection (FALSE)
  2. Vaccines do not do this.
  3. Therefore, Vaccines are not useful at all (False Dichotomy)

The fact that vaccines stop A LOT of transmission and REDUCE the severity of disease is the middle ground that is ignored. The black-and-white false dichotomy would have us believe that if vaccines are not perfect, then there are by definition, useless.

A very stupid person, or an unethical person would propose this kind of argument. Of course, there could be a middle ground to this reasoning about why this crap argument is being made. I can’t think of it at the moment.

I’m trying to parse this and I am imagining myself as some rogue syringe-wielding vigilante, and do not see that ending well.

I think that means “Don’t get vaccinated, and depend on others to do so, therefore creating herd immunity that will protect your selfish prick ass.”

Oh, that sounds a lot dumber than what I was assuming.

To be fair, there ARE some folks that cannot be vaccinated due to (as was said) weakened immune systems, or other genuine medical reasons.

Those who are unvaccinated due to stupidity or selfishness or “I don’t wanna” put these people at risk.