Sam is blaming all this type of stuff on the rest of us for refusing to ‘patiently explain’ or ‘gently correct’ posters that make small errors.
You said:
I’d like you either to:
- Cite strong evidence that “a talk about how we could embed chips in people with syringes to track their carbon consumption” occurred at the WEF; or
- Admit that you were wrong, and make a plausible commitment to doing better going forward.
There’s a slippery-slope-connect-the-dots mentality that suggests that giving people the ability to track their carbon consumption will lead to mandatory world government tracking and punishment for exceeding limits. It’s akin to the belief that planning “15-minute cities” is not meant to benefit residents by providing for their needs, but an evil conspiracy to confine them in such places. If you…string partial quotes…together…without context…the intent…becomes clear.
Even now, WEF agents may be fanning out all across Alberta to swoop down on dissidents and forcibly implant microchips via vaccines (excuse me, “vaccines”). It’ll happen two months six months a year two years five years from now, for certain. You’ll be sorry!
Sure. I’d love to see the specific talk whose quotes may be strung together to indicate this specific intent. @Sam_Stone made a remarkable claim, that’s maybe three levels below “Lizard people control the British Government” in terms of its wackiness. A remarkable claim like that requires remarkable evidence–but in this case, a simple transcript of the talk, or a Youtube video of the talk, or hell even an article about the talk from a reputable source would suffice.
I suspect there’s no evidence at all that such a talk occurred, in which case a genuine and unconditional apology, coupled by a sincere promise to do better, would be much more appreciated (and, I fear, much less likely) than the other thing I want, which is a pony.
Naw, you don’t really want a pony. Take from one with personal experience: they bite, dip shoulder and dump you, run away with you at the trot, let all the other horses out of their stalls, get into the tack room and trash it, trample your flower beds, produce copious amounts of manure you have to clean up daily…
Better off with hamsters; they’re small, cute, easy to keep, and can be trained to run on wheels to recharge your phone.
Nah. This is the pit, not GD. I;m not jumping through your hoops. Going through hundreds of hours of videos to find a quote, only to have someone here nitpick it anyway, is not my idea of fun.
But you don’t seem to understand what the WEF is if you think my claim that someone talked about implantable chips is somehow extraordinary. The WEF hosts talks about all kinds of crazy stuff.
Remember the context in which I said this, which was that serious talks can be bookended by wild futurist talk, and people conflate them either accidentally or intentionally.
For example:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/08/microchip-in-your-hand-rfid-32m/
You seem to think I’m making the crazy right arguments that we’re all going to be microchipped, that the WEF wants all of us tracked with embedded RFID sensors etc.
I was REFUTING that stuff by pointing out that they smear the ‘real’ WEF program with the more speculative talks that people pay to give, and the WEF gets accused of wanting to do all the things they have on their program. That’s why I said it’s a weird combination of government forum mixed with TED talks.
I’m not going to look for a specific video, but the WEF Forum is FULL of videos about speculative topics. Brain implants, RFID IDs under the skin, Chips in drugs tracking the patient’s compliance, yada yada.
The WEF has had to resort to putting disclaimers in front of the more ‘speculative’ articles and videos explaining that they were not WEF policy, but submissions from authors whose viewpoint is not necessarily shared by the WEF.
I think you misunderstood me. I was trying to separate legitimate criticisms of the WEF from the crazy accusations about implantable chips and such coming from the right. The WEF has dangerous ideas, but they are mundane dangerous ideas. The speculative chip stuff as a plan is mostly a misinterpretation by the far right.
So… you have no such evidence.
OK then. Carry on with whatever the hell you think you’re accomplishing here.
The WEF has dangerous ideas, but they are mundane dangerous ideas. The speculative chip stuff as a plan is mostly a misinterpretation by the far right.
Why can’t you just admit you were suckered in by misinterpretations by your sources on the far right?
No, we think you just make up stuff to support your arguments, and complain when you get called on it. It’s exceedingly common with you.
Earlier this year you had some throwaway statement about Twitter having their highest usage “in the last few days.” You were trying to defend Musk and just tossed in a bunch of supporting info, some true and some made up. When asked to back up the statement, of course you ignored it.
A lot of your made up “facts” are minor points, some are major. But overall it’s a constant pattern, and it affects the strength of all your arguments, to your detriment.
Oh yeah. We’re all clear that your idea of “fun” is “making shit up and refusing to back up your claims.” I guess I’m just not clear on why you haven’t been banned for it.
Because I wasn’t? I posted that to explain HOW the far right keeps managing to come up with crazy theories about the WEF. You are just too invested in ‘getting’ me that you don’t bpther to actually read what I write. You just look for keywords you can use to characterize me so you can attack a strawman.
The video I remember was possibly Richard Hanania talking about it, or maybe someone else. The WEF does not make searching videos easy, and then tend to take videos down, change the names of articles, etc. as they get heat from the public.
Nonetheless, I’m going to reiterate my point for those who still think I’m trying to defend the right’s fever-dream criticisms of the WEF. The problem is that serious panels that actually have weight and influence are often followed by speculative talks, and it allows opponents to blend them together. So a serious talk about covid vaccines is followed by a talk about how cool it would be if we could put a chip in pills to track usage, or how you can inject an RFID chip with a syringe, and suddenly the far right is yapping about covid vaccines having chips in them.
In other words, my post was a criticism of the right’s hysteria, and you guys managed to decide that I was a right-wing hysteric, and then demand I give cites so you can ‘debunk’ me. You really don’t pay attention. You just look for whatever cue you can find to launch another attack. It’s incredibly tedious.
That’s a great pivot lol
I’m tired of getting sealioned. Demand a cite in GD, and I will always comply. Alternate between calling me names and demanding cites in the pit, and I’ll decide whether I feel like it on any given day. Don’t like it? Don’t engage with me in the pit.
Go back and read the post I made that kicked off this latest shitstorm. I said the same thing. The video I’m being asked to cite was just a video of one of their futurist panels where they talked about injecting chips. These kinds of panels are common at the WEF. As are articles on the WEF blog about these things. I just posted one.
My point was that the right was MISUSING those videos to claim they were actual WEF plans. But it seems all of you missed that in your zeal to ‘get’ me.
Ermagerd. You’re not being sealioned, because I’m not being remotely polite. You’re being called a dishonest jackass who has no intellectual integrity. You’re perfectly willing to say crazy bullshit, and when you get called on it, to act all self-righteous.
My prediction is that this part is also a lie, but let’s see
Are you going to say P&E isn’t part of GD and get out of it that way?
Nope. That’s not what you posted. This is:
It’s clear you’re presenting this information as straight, and not as something the right was “misusing”.
You made the strong confident claim a specific person made a specific quote.
I get it you, pulled something out of your ass and got caught. A pivot is the right move.
So much for the “patiently explain” or “gently correct” bullshit you were requesting earlier.
This, this right here, is a perfect example. You were asked for a cite and refused, which is your prerogative, and now you’re lashing out at others for requesting said cite.
And, like HoneyBadger, if this was a one time thing, you might be right to be angry, but it’s not a one time thing, it’s what you do and people are sick of it.
So, you did conflate them either accidentally or intentionally? Choose your poison.
For fuck’s sake. Once again, you are accusing me of the thing I am REFUTING. I AGREE that the right is conflating these things. I offered that up as an EXAMPLE of how the RIGHT is CONFLATING these things to build an incorrect narrative.
So of course you attack me for the very thing I am arguing against. Because either you don’t know how to read, or you are just fucking with me. Either way, you should run along and play now. We’ll let you know when a climate change discussion pops up so you can run in and do your schtick.
These constant misinterpretations are errors bigger than the things I get pitted for. You completely misinterpret what I’m saying then attack a strawman you conjured. In the meantime, I get dragged for not spending an hour to find a old video cite for an uncontroversial side comment.
It was controversial because you did come for the sides of the ones misleading about the WFE. And in reality it is you who are fucking with us.
As I said in the other thread:
That is not what someone that claims to understand already about how misleading the right wing and conspiracy minded people are. The reporting about that issue then should be different from guys “like” you, That is, a fair minded guy like the ones you pretend to be.
(Corrected some grammar)
Explaining that the “RIGHT” is actually correct but that their narrative is incorrect isn’t really (IMHO) “REFUTING” anything.
And it is clear that the “examples” Sam provided by the Right Wing and conspiracy sites (They are often the same) were accepted by Sam earlier, after it was noticed that his “fascistic” points about the WFE were dumb, he had to pull that excuse about “I know that!” or “it’s the right that does that” from his ass.