Indygrrl, that’s absolutely disgusting.
I’ve heard that one of the reasons suicide is illegal is so that the police can stop you from doing it, or harming others in the process.
Have you had someone close to you kill themselves? My step-brother blew his brains out several years ago. The devistation that it caused to his close friends and family is still ongoing. To refer to that as “inconcenience” is unbelievably short sighted.
I am all for the terminally ill or horribly physically debilitated to have the option to commit suicide. Adolescent depression falls way short of the mark in my opinion.
Haj
Originally posted by Loneraven
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I posted too fast this morning; apologies, didn’t mean to mislead anyone. IIRC suicide has also been decriminalized in Canada as well. I haven’t had time to look up criminal status by state. Where it gets very tricky–and litigious–is the area of assisting suicide. We’re very careful to avoid “how-tos” in anything illegal. That’s why we shut down threads on where and how to buy street drugs, kiddie porn, commit vandalism, etc.
Originally posted by js_africanus
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Death leaves grief in its wake, even when it’s expected and accepted. When the death is out-of-the-blue and voluntary not only is a life lost but, yes, it does devastate those close to the person. Their anguish doesn’t override what the suicide suffered but it’s unrealistic to deny the traumatic consequences to others as well.
Veb
It is so sad that these sites exist. Especially when there are so many chatrooms and fora for depression available.
I know I have gone to these places many a time when I was beside myself (the depression chat rooms, message boards, sites) and all of them were completely anti-suicide. Nobody had this kind of help when I was growing up! When I was a kid, you didn’t even dare talk to your school counsellor because there was always a chance a phone call would be made to your mom. (Or dad…which I didn’t have.)
They may not be “IRL” but they damn sure take the edge off. I hate it beyond words that there are places that would advocate someone taking their own life. And I say this as a person that has teetered on that brink before.
How awful…
Japan seems to have had a recent wave of group suicides by people who met together on the internet for the purpose of finding suicide partners.
http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn/search-news/879349/suicide-0-7.html
http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn/search-news/879349/pact-0-7.html
http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn/search-news/879349/pact-0-10.html
http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn/search-news/879349/pact-0-14.html
It won’t make anyone feel better about this site but I used it and it helped me decide not to kill myself. I had spent 20 years coping with suicidal urges and self-sabotaged attempts. In the back of my head suicide was always an option and for years and years I didn’t take care of my mental/emotional health because I truly believed it was a lost cause and that it was a matter of time before I devised the perfect suicide plan. When I hit bottom I decided to get serious and find a failsafe method and that site pretty much spoiled every suicide fantasy I’d ever had. It shattered my denial about the entire issue. I know that I will never be able to successfully kill myself and because I now know that my whole approach to life is different. I live a different way now and I never would have changed if I hadn’t realized I’m stuck doing this until outside forces decide otherwise.
There are MANY things on the internet that disturb the hell out of me and the fact that any kid can see this site bothers me a lot. Lots of kids attempt suicide and a lot of kids succeed and basically this site puts weapons in their hands. There are many many things on the internet that no one under 18 should be expected to deal with.
So if I’d like to vandalize some kiddie porn while tripping, you aren’t gonna be any help at all, huh?
Dang!
I don’t see anything wrong with suicide and certainly not with this. But then again I’m terribly self-centered.
Eternal, most people who consider suicide as an acceptable option often are very self-absorbed. Although they may have what might seem as very good reasons to go through with it, ultimately it is a very selfish act. It is extremely devastating and torturous for the friends and family left behind who loved that person. It’s also a waste of a life and a ridiculously extreme solution to emotional pain that with treatment, can be solved or at the very least alleviated.
I hope that you’re not considering this yourself Eternal?
There are pro-anorexia sites? How could anyone be Pro on that subject?
The only time I am in favor of suicide is chronic, incurable illness.
This is just sad beyond words.
Yup, Shirley. Suicide is often a permanent solution to a temporary problem. While a person has the right to end their life at any time they feel like, to aid or abet the suicide of somebody who has their life in front of them is unconscionable.
It is a profound statement about our society that there are those who willingly encourage young people to kill themselves. Tipping the balance of someone who is already on such a slippery slope is a hair’s breadth short of killing them yourself.
Count me as disgusted.
People who commit suicide are not self-absorbed. They’re in an extreme state of emotional anguish, and contributing to that emotional anguish is the firmly held belief that nobody gives a fuck. Nobody will miss them, or even notice they’re gone. Nobody will mourn. Life will go on. Try talking yourself out of suicide when you absolutely believe that nobody will care and you are completely alone and depressed in every sense of the word.
AFAIK in Canada it is still illegal (to commit suicide).
I’m on the fence about this in a way. If this kid had found a better chat site she might be still around but I figure she went looking for this specific type of site (a simple google search of anti-suicide I’m sure will get lots of helpful hits).
I don’t know if I’d call suicidal people selfish. It might seem that way to people who are left in the wake of a suicide, but for the most part, horrible grief and/or the feeling of being completely alone is the key.
My only suicidal phase was bound to the possible death of someone I love. I can’t speak for all Japanese people, but I find that suicide is more accepted there than here. If I am the cause of death or horrible dishonour to my GF/family I too would [again] consider suicide to be an acceptable method to deal with the pain.
A friend of mine whom I’d known since she was in nappies committed suicide some years ago. I was very upset; her parents and brother were devastated.
When I was working for a County Council I was told that in many cases, attempted suicide is a cry for attention, be it from a loved one or society.
It is not a course of action I would recommend.
Look, offering one’s point of view of how a suicidal person must feel (“self-absorbed” or not) is a no-win game. That’s mainly because every individual is different and their rational for contemplating such an extreme action, regardless of how it appears to anyone else, makes sense to them at the time.
Likewise, discussing whether it is more painful for the person contemplating suicide to carry on while so depressed, or their loved ones having to deal with their loss is also a no-win game. Bottom line, we don’t want to see anyone suffer, and if given the chance, I am sure we’d all prefer to see the suicidal individual find relief through another means, thereby addressing their issue and saving their loved ones some grief.
This thread is about a web site that, while I have not gone to it - and hope I never will - seems to play the role of enabler to people considering suicide. And, to most people, anything other than hospice-driven suicide (i.e., terminally ill/in pain), this sounds awful, because we are inclined to think that there are other ways to address the needs of the person who is suffering. On that basis, this site seems disgusting and wrong. Same with those anorexia sites I have read about…
I am glad pokey found something at the site that turned him/her away from suicide, but that feels very risky - others may use the advice / coaching to do the deed.
Pepperlandgirl said, "People who commit suicide are not self-absorbed. They’re in an extreme state of emotional anguish, and contributing to that emotional anguish is the firmly held belief that nobody gives a fuck. Nobody will miss them, or even notice they’re gone. Nobody will mourn. "
That’s not necessarily true. Some people simply don’t see the point. That doesn’t mean they’re self-absorbed. It means there is no reason. Many suicidal people KNOW that everyone loves them and cares about them. It just doesn’t matter.
Ah, the internet! Suicide support groups, Hamster Dance, Jack Chick and Porn!
We are truly in a new Renaissance!
Fagjunk Theology: Not just for sodomite propagandists anymore.
I have no problem with someone telling a potential suicide of various “failsafe” and relatively painless methods.
Because, while suicide is, in itself, terrible, botching the job and having a long, drawn out, agonising death, or indeed, a long, drawn out, agonising life, are not exactly unheard of.
However, ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING them to go ahead is depraved indifference if ever it was.