Uh, man under military command in a WARTIME situation? You could easily be looking at a treason charge.
CNN is now reporting that the U.S. Soldier was the responsible party. :eek:
That means it was either insanity, or treason.
Attempted murder is attempted murder. Even in the UCMJ.
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl134-4.htm
No death penalty…yet anyway.
Actual treasonous behavior is, um, frowned upon by the military. Such action that atually causes deaths I would think could very well carry a death sentence.
IIRC, in WWII a “deserter” was executed for just hooking up with a Canadian unit and not trying to reconnect with his own people.
Treason needs two witnesses or a confession.
In the civilian courts, yes. But under the UCMJ? (Honestly, I don’t know. I’m gonna put this in GQ if someone hasn’t beat me to it.)
Maybe the Iraqi’s are running their own psy-ops, causing our soldiers to turn against us? I know sounds absurd, but this is bizarre. Perhaps it was a personal issue.
Uhhh…just read the US constitution. It’s the only crime specifically mentioned.
I know that it is. My point was, military justice and civilian difference are often markedly different, especially during wartime. How about we both go see if there’s been a response in GQ and see what the lawyers say?
Sorry, bolding was mine.
Of course this brings up the debate of are we in a time of war? They may be able to avoid the death penalty by arguing that there has been no formal declaration of war.
Well, it still might be terrorism. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist… and a US marine.
McVeigh was Army. (One of his grudges was having flunked out of the Special Forces training, ostensibly because he was debilitated from having participated in Desert Storm.)
(Of course, if he had been a Marine, we could then point to him plus Ollie North plus Lee Oswald and go “Hmmmm?”. However, with the current facts that would not even support a wild-eyed conspiracy theory.)
A US soldier did this? Holy FUCK!!!
:eek:
WHY??? Any speculation?
Actually, I’m surprised this sort of thing doesn’t happen more often. How many soldiers are over there, about 400,000? There’s bound to be a few people that are unbalanced out of a group that large. Toss in the stress of war and isolation in the desert and a few people are going to snap. Then when they do, they already are armed to the teeth. I realize the military weeds out people that can’t handle the mental stress, but you’ll never get them all.
Hope this is the last incident like this.
Apparently, he was a Muslim. But you know how the news reports can be. If he did in fact do it, I don’t think a firing squad would be too harsh.
Fucking hell.
God damned muslim fuck.
You know people say that its only the radical muslims that are “like that” and that praise osama etc… But Osama is now the MOST POPULAR name for new born babies among muslims.
Frankly, I am happy to hear it was an American soldier.
Only because I would hate to think of the incompetence to let a “commando raid” get to within grendate-tossing distance of the commanders tent in Camp Pennsylvania.
As an inside job, I can accept how that happened.
And you know that (provided the early rumors are even true and provided that his religion is not just coincidental to him going nuts) that he is not a radical muslim who just didn’t get weeded out at some point?
There are over 15,000 muslims in the U.S. armed forces. So far, we have one event rumored to be related to one of them and not yet even rumored to be based on his religious beliefs.
I think a you might dislocate your knee if it keeps jerking like that.
According to CNN, the soldier in question was recently reprimanded for insubordination and told that he would not be following his unit when it deployed to Iraq.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/22/sprj.irq.101.attack/index.html
A good military lawyer should be able to avoid the death penalty for this incident. At the very least this “soldier” will be turning big rocks into little rocks for a long time at Ft. Leavenworth.