A thought for Excalibre

The BBQ Pit
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[QUOTE=Banquet Bear]
…really?

It was only a few months ago when Excalibre sent a private email to another doper that stated: “I hope that in doing so I haven’t inadvertantly raped you.” It was all part on one helluva ugly thread where both Excalibre and Starving Artist squared off. I don’t know how anyone could read that thread and come to the decision that Excalibre has ten times the value on this board of Starving Artist: there was a gentleman in that thread, and one right prick: I definately know who I value on these boards more…
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Nice way to take that out of context. The “haven’t raped you” comment was, if I remember correctly, in response to someone who was entirely inappropriately comparing some incident with gangrape. And I still think it was funny.

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[QUOTE=Ensign Edison]
Nice way to take that out of context. The “haven’t raped you” comment was, if I remember correctly, in response to someone who was entirely inappropriately comparing some incident with gangrape. And I still think it was funny.
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…how hard can it be to remember correctly? I linked to the thread. And you think that sending an email saying " “I hope that in doing so I haven’t inadvertantly raped you.” is funny?

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[QUOTE=Banquet Bear]
…how hard can it be to remember correctly? I linked to the thread. And you think that sending an email saying " “I hope that in doing so I haven’t inadvertantly raped you.” is funny?
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I just didn’t see the link in your post, thanks for pointing it out.

And when it’s said to someone who thinks it’s appropriate to compare things that are NOT rape or anything LIKE rape to being raped, yeah, I think it’s fucking hilarious. Because when you do that, you’re diluting the concept of rape beyond all meaning. That’s the point of the joke. He’s not talking about actual rape, he’s talking about exactly the kind of textual, metaphorical rape that I have no idea what it is you think the joke is about that makes it so offensive to you, frankly.

In that thread, Starving Artist said to brightpenny:

That’s how I feel about Excalibre’s joke, and why I think it was absolutely not an illegal play.

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Uh…yeah. Try:

“He’s not talking about actual rape, he’s talking about exactly the kind of textual, metaphorical rape that brightpenny was, which SA defended. I have no idea what it is you think the joke is about that makes it so offensive to you, frankly.”

instead of whatever strange alien language actually came out of my keyboard.

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I thought the rape comment was one of the funniest things I’ve seen on the board in a long time.

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[QUOTE=dnooman]

Are you mad that I called Dijon a dumbass? In retrospect that was harsh, I apologized for it, and it seems that the two of us are cool about it.
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I am not mad at you, and your apology to Dijon showed class and maturity about the one thing you were actually over-the-line about. I just don’t like “WHOOOSHes” for the reasons I have stated. Sorry, no PIT thread for you- unless you want one because you have never been personally PITed, in which case I’ll oblige- but it’ll be rather lame, and I’ll be piled on.

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[QUOTE=Banquet Bear]
…as for Excalibre’s comments about Starving sucking up to Liberal, have you read any of the exchanges between myself and Starving Artist on these boards? Good lord, you seem to get all upset because a couple of people are nice to each other on the internet. Civility, manners, respect and decency seem to be foreign words to you. Liberal pays Starving Artist a compliment, and Starving responds with a thanks, and you choose to mock this? Get a life man…
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You haven’t actually read any of the threads I linked to with Starving Artist, have you? Hey, I get that you and him are pals, but there’s a difference between being polite and friendly to people and sucking up. And I’m hardly the only one who noticed what Starving Artist was doing. What bothers me about Starving Artist is the obvious cynicism that guides his actions. There are people around here who actually are nice, decent people. And then there’s Starving Artist, who is nice strategically, when he wants to find another ally. After months of unpleasantness towards me, he did the same to me. And curse my insistence on honesty in my interactions with others, but, well, I didn’t really want that.

As for the pit thread with brightpenny - well, she deserved to get pitted for the way she acted, but my irritation with her ill treatment of people who honestly tried to answer her question, and the offensiveness of her characterization of it as “rape”, upset me a great deal, and I said a bunch of things about her that weren’t deserved. Which is why I apologized in the thread - several times. That was obviously not one of my prouder moments.

I do try to apologize when I’ve done something bad; that doesn’t obligate anyone to forgive me, but as you were not one of the wronged parties, Banquet Bear, one wonders why you feel entitled to say that my apology was not enough. I suppose your behavior - here and elsewhere in life - has been completely without reproach, but we aren’t all capable of that. You might work humility and tolerance to compliment your other virtues.

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[QUOTE=Banquet Bear]
…how hard can it be to remember correctly? I linked to the thread. And you think that sending an email saying " “I hope that in doing so I haven’t inadvertantly raped you.” is funny?
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When the person it was directed at compared people disagreeing with her and telling her she was wrong to being gang-raped in a most viscious manner, hell yeah!

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[QUOTE=Banquet Bear]
…how hard can it be to remember correctly? I linked to the thread. And you think that sending an email saying " “I hope that in doing so I haven’t inadvertantly raped you.” is funny?
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In that thread? Yes. Oh, God, yes.

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[QUOTE=Excalibre]
And then there’s Starving Artist, who is nice strategically, when he wants to find another ally.
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Au contraire, mon dipshit! I’m nice to just about everyone unless they give me reason to behave otherwise, such as you have ad infinitum.
[QUOTE=Excalibre]
And curse my insistence on honesty in my interactions with others…
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Okay, this tears it! First you call me a liar for stating that I had ‘vigorously defended’ Liberal in only one thread after you were able to ‘find’ several threads in which I complimented him, this despite the fact that I clearly stated I’d ‘vigorously defended’ him in only one thread and not that I had only mentioned him in one thread (that old reading comprehesion thing still biting you in the butt, I see); then have the gall to assert to Zoe that your patience is strained when people cling to falsehood; and then you have the nerve to state what you did just above about your 'insistence on honesty in your interactions".

Well, guess what, chum?

While perusing one my friendly neighborhood snark boards, I discovered that you were lying out your ass about how you came to locate the threads you linked to in this thread in your feeble attempt to defend your assertions that I was some sort of self-abasing ass-kisser who ‘sucked up’ to anyone I either felt was my intellectual superior or whose politics I happened to approve of.

No, you never had difficulty due to the frequency that your search terms appeared, such as you alleged; and you never relied on your own recollection of my previous posting history such as you alleged; and in fact, you never found those cites at all! No, what you did was go whining into the aforementioned snark board where you appear to be in something of a leadership position, and post something along the lines of ‘SA says he only kissed Lib’s ass in one thread. Have I misremembered his behavior all those months or is he full of shit?’. Whereupon one of your lackeys chirps up with ‘Hell, yeah, he’s been kissing Lib’s ass forever. Call him on his bluff! Here are some cites, but be careful with them though less you be outed as nonny’s sock’.

Whereupon you then come charging into this thread with the three feeble cites this clown had given you in which I either defended Liberal or complimented him on this thing or that, plus the one in which I cautioned that Shodan would own you if you weren’t careful, and acted as though you’d nobly and diligently searched for these threads yourself, that you were sure there were more but due to the difficulty in coming up with suitable search terms you were unable to find them, and then acting as though these cites were what you had in mind all along when you made your allegations.

Well, bullshit! You were handed those cites by a like-minded snark board coward hiding behind a mask of anonymity!

I had originally intended to let this slide when you wisely declined to follow up on my question as to whether that was all you had to support your allegations about me, but your comments to Zoe and your self-righteous proclamations as to your insistence on honesty in your interactions with other was more than I could let slide.

Do you remember, after you’d rebuffed my foolhardy and ill-advised attempt to bury the hatchet with you, that I’d said you had revealed yourself to be a man totally lacking in character? I can think of no better way to illustrate the accuracy of this insight than your own behavior in this thread.

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And thank you to Banquet Bear and FinnAgain for your support. Both it and you are very much appreciated. :slight_smile:

(There’s some more ‘ass-kissing’ for you, Excalibre.) :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
Au contraire, mon dipshit! I’m nice to just about everyone unless they give me reason to behave otherwise, such as you have ad infinitum.
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I have to wonder about this. Do you honestly believe that your behavior towards me before the time you tried to get into my good graces was “nice”? Do you believe that you somehow deserved my forgiveness? You act like you do; I’m not sure if you’re simply an inveterate liar or if you honestly believe the things you claim.

Another lie! Quite remarkable that you persist. In each of the threads I linked to, you “vigorously defended” him. Not by any stretch of the imagination can you claim that you weren’t doing so.

Yes, I do. I can see that you don’t.

Another lie. I found those threads myself using the search function. I see that someone else posted that on the snark board. In fact, while I haven’t checked the posting times, they might have posted it before my message to you was completed; it took a long time for me to compose it.

Nevertheless, you must realize that you’re making an assertion without support. It’s amazing to me that you’re willing to make this stuff up; you simply don’t seem to care at all whether what you’re saying is true or not. It’s obvious not only in how you’ll invent imaginary motives for me like jealousy of roger’s intelligence (though I have to credit you for being imaginative; that one’s unique in just how sharply it contradicts reality). It’s obvious also in how desperate you are to invent stories in an attempt to make me look bad, even without any evidence whatsoever.

The ironic part of your claim is that one of the three threads I linked to didn’t even appear in the snarkboard post!

Yeah, I do try to figure out whether my impressions are accurate. One of those ways is by asking others. Note that I didn’t ask anyone to find cites for me. Note that one of the links I used wasn’t even in that list (though it wouldn’t be any particular shock if the lists coincided - obviously, searching for “liberal” is difficult amidst all your posts whinging about the “liberal media” and so forth.)

Also, if you had any shred of honesty in you, you’d admit that lots of the nonnies don’t like me at all and spent that thread talking shit about me. But I’m in a “leadership position”, huh?

You can see that the list of links is different between the snarkpit post and mine; you can even see the highlight of “liberal”, my search term, in my links, since that’s where I got them (note that it’s absent in the snarkpit post.)

Tell me, Starving Artist. What’s it like to be a liar? I mean, we all have told lies on occasion. But your absolute constancy in it amazes me. Do you simply not care whether what you’re saying is true or not? Is it that same cynicism that leads you to try to kiss up to people like Liberal and Shodan? Anyone can see, reading that thread, that I’m probably less popular on the snarkpit than I am here; anyone can see that the list of links is different. And it’s obvious to anyone who stops and thinks that two people using the search function will likely find the same results. It doesn’t even take much to make your lie look like the pathetic invention it is.

So what’s it like? I mean, do you simply not care at all about the truth? It’s clear that your interpersonal interactions are guided by nothing more than your desire to have people on your side. Now it’s clear as well that your approach to how to conduct yourself is guided by nothing but an attempt to make yourself look better. You knew, posting this, that you had no real evidence to back up your claim. Had you attempted to look at it more closely, you would have immediately seen that it wasn’t true. So tell me - what’s it like? I’m honestly curious, as I simply don’t understand and can’t really relate to your utter disregard for fact and truth.

The difference between us becomes sharper, Starving Artist. I have shared my opinions about your conduct. I have said uncomplimentary things about you. But you notice that I haven’t attempted to tell lies in order to make you look bad. Is it a lack of principles on your part? Or are you simply so desperate to feel loved that you’ll invent stories to impugn another person’s character in a pathetic attempt to gain approval?

I’d probably be angrier about this if I hadn’t discovered just how pitiful you are. Now I just feel sorry for you again. I can’t imagine what it would take to turn me into a liar like you. And I don’t want to try.

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The links Excalibre gave have the word “Liberal” highlighted, suggesting he indeed clicked on them from a search.

And you are a complete weasel. Excalibre gave solid examles of your “habitual sucking up to those I perceive as my intellectual superior” that you asked a cite for. “complimented him on this thing or that”? Pffft, that quote Excalibre gave was total ball licking and now you cry that maybe he didn’t find them himself. You think that’s a real defence or are you just trying to cast Excalibre as an evil snark messenger boy who all good Dopers should hate?

On preview, I see Excalibre has explained his position in a rather thorough manner. You are still a weasel, SA, for trying to get sympathy by pretending there is some campaign against you. Learned that from your hero Liberal, I reckon.

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Banquet Bear
Your post #179 is well-stated and speaks volumes. I too was involved in that brouhaha regarding Brightpenny and thought it was one of the [sub]low[/sub] points in the history of the SDMB.

Rather than join the “pile-on” for excalibre I’ll just politely say that his people-skills need some improving and his posts could be a tad less condescending, patronizing, arrogant, and whatever else can be found in your local thesaurus.

If nothing else, excalibre, there just might come a time, when you yourself may need to find an answer to something you don’t know. (small as that possibilty is). :slight_smile:
Think about how many people will not search the web, their books, etc because your behavior to them in the past was something less than courteous. Something to think about wouldn’t you say?

Oh and in terms of sucking up - good postings by Starving Artist too.

You may have noticed that I’m posting here a LOT less. Behavior of members has been one of the main reasons. And heck - there is more to life than just the SDMB.

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[QUOTE=Excalibre]
I have to wonder about this. Do you honestly believe that your behavior towards me before the time you tried to get into my good graces was “nice”?
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I’m beginning to believe that Finn is right about your be delusional. Of course my behavior toward you at that time wasn’t nice; why else would I try to bury the hatchet (or, in your uniquely delusional way: ‘get into your good graces’)?

My behavior toward you at that time and since has been based on your history of using your genuine intelligence as a club with which to beat others over the head, along with your insufferable arrogance and misplaced sense of superiority. You take pride in not suffering fools lightly; I take pride in not suffering bullies lightly, and you are one of the most eager and unrelenting bullies I’ve ever seen.

[QUOTE=Excalibre]
Another lie! Quite remarkable that you persist. In each of the threads I linked to, you “vigorously defended” him. Not by any stretch of the imagination can you claim that you weren’t doing so.
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Well, I suppose the word ‘vigorous’ is open to interpretation. I certainly don’t feel I defended him vigorously in the other threads, but I will magnanimously concede that you may legitimately feel otherwise. Still, I may legitimately feel otherwise than you do, and unlike the magnanimity which I accede to you, you choose to lable my interpretation as a “lie”. Once again, you reveal yourself to be not only hypocritical but incapable of discerning between a difference of opinion and outright falsehood.

[QUOTE=Excalibre]
Another lie. I found those threads myself using the search function. I see that someone else posted that on the snark board. In fact, while I haven’t checked the posting times, they might have posted it before my message to you was completed; it took a long time for me to compose it.
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Gee, really? They might have posted it before your message was completed? Wow, who’da thunk it?

If so, wouldn’t you think that would therefore lend credence to my assertion that the links were handed to you, given that they were posted before you linked to them here?

[QUOTE=Excalibre]
Nevertheless, you must realize that you’re making an assertion without support. It’s amazing to me that you’re willing to make this stuff up; you simply don’t seem to care at all whether what you’re saying is true or not. It’s obvious not only in how you’ll invent imaginary motives for me like jealousy of roger’s intelligence (though I have to credit you for being imaginative; that one’s unique in just how sharply it contradicts reality). It’s obvious also in how desperate you are to invent stories in an attempt to make me look bad, even without any evidence whatsoever.
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While it’s true that I have no factual support other than your own behavior regarding your motives vis-a-vis roger thornhill, I certainly have plenty of support for my assertions regarding the snark board. I made up nothing and you know it. The best you have to hope for is to show that you may have made additional searches beyond the ones I referred to on the snark board. Should you have indeed done so, it in no constitutes a lie or baseless accusation on my part that the cites I referred to were handed to you.

[QUOTE=Excalibre]
The ironic part of your claim is that one of the three threads I linked to didn’t even appear in the snarkboard post!
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Gee, one of the three, huh? What a coincidence! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Excalibre]
Yeah, I do try to figure out whether my impressions are accurate. One of those ways is by asking others. Note that I didn’t ask anyone to find cites for me.
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I never contended you asked anyone to find the cites for you. Nice strawman.

[QUOTE=Excalibre]
Also, if you had any shred of honesty in you, you’d admit that lots of the nonnies don’t like me at all and spent that thread talking shit about me. But I’m in a “leadership position”, huh?
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Yep, that’s my take. In not only that thread but in many of the others I looked at, there was quite a coterie of posters cheering you on and praising your self-acknowledged assholiness.

Well then, you certainly know what it’s like to be a liar, don’t you? Can you say ‘disingenuous’? Yeah, I thought that you could.

[QUOTE=Excalibre]
Do you simply not care whether what you’re saying is true or not? Is it that same cynicism that leads you to try to kiss up to people like Liberal and Shodan? Anyone can see, reading that thread, that I’m probably less popular on the snarkpit than I am here; anyone can see that the list of links is different. And it’s obvious to anyone who stops and thinks that two people using the search function will likely find the same results. It doesn’t even take much to make your lie look like the pathetic invention it is.

So what’s it like? I mean, do you simply not care at all about the truth? It’s clear that your interpersonal interactions are guided by nothing more than your desire to have people on your side. Now it’s clear as well that your approach to how to conduct yourself is guided by nothing but an attempt to make yourself look better. You knew, posting this, that you had no real evidence to back up your claim. Had you attempted to look at it more closely, you would have immediately seen that it wasn’t true. So tell me - what’s it like? I’m honestly curious, as I simply don’t understand and can’t really relate to your utter disregard for fact and truth.

The difference between us becomes sharper, Starving Artist. I have shared my opinions about your conduct. I have said uncomplimentary things about you. But you notice that I haven’t attempted to tell lies in order to make you look bad. Is it a lack of principles on your part? Or are you simply so desperate to feel loved that you’ll invent stories to impugn another person’s character in a pathetic attempt to gain approval?
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Cite for any ‘lie’ I’ve told! It was clear from your statements on the other board that you had not at that time found any such cites such as those listed by the poster there. It’s laughably dishonest of you to claim you found them yourself but only after having been told about them on the snark board. I hardly think I’m the liar in regard to your behavior in this matter.

[QUOTE=Excalibre]
I’d probably be angrier about this if I hadn’t discovered just how pitiful you are. Now I just feel sorry for you again.
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Yes, I know…your pity and sadness are things you routinely trot out at the end of many of your posts to me.

(You just ooze dishonesty and disingenuousness from every pore, don’t you?)
[QUOTE=Excalibre]
I can’t imagine what it would take to turn me into a liar like you. And I don’t want to try.
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No doubt!

For then no longer be a liar, would you, mon frere?

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[QUOTE=CarnalK]
You are still a weasel, SA…
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Thank you. Insults from certain posters (are you listening, Frank?) are but wonderful compliments to me.

Other than that, a poster such as you is not worthy of a response.

And on preview, thanks wolf_meister.
(Will the ass-kissing and sucking-up never end???)

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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Ahem…pardon me, I meant to say to Excalibre: "For then you’d no longer be a liar, would you, mon frere?

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[QUOTE=Starving Artist]
(Will the ass-kissing and sucking-up never end???)

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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Not as long as I’m here.

What I think I see is a contest between those who want to pull every thread into a race to the bottom, and those with some sense of decorum.

Starving Artist treats people decently, and that interferes with the bullying. So he gets a dose of it.

:shrugs:

Don’t pay too much attention to those who want this place to be just as depressing and stupid as that snark thing, SA. Crabs in a bucket and all that.

Regards,
Shodan

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[QUOTE=Shodan]
Not as long as I’m here.
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:smiley:

[QUOTE=Shodan]
What I think I see is a contest between those who want to pull every thread into a race to the bottom, and those with some sense of decorum.

Starving Artist treats people decently, and that interferes with the bullying. So he gets a dose of it.

:shrugs:

Don’t pay too much attention to those who want this place to be just as depressing and stupid as that snark thing, SA. Crabs in a bucket and all that.

Regards,
Shodan
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Well put. Thank you.

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[QUOTE=Banquet Bear]
…as for Excalibre’s comments about Starving sucking up to Liberal, have you read any of the exchanges between myself and Starving Artist on these boards? Good lord, you seem to get all upset because a couple of people are nice to each other on the internet. Civility, manners, respect and decency seem to be foreign words to you. Liberal pays Starving Artist a compliment, and Starving responds with a thanks, and you choose to mock this? Get a life man…
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For what it’s worth, in the thread that I described SA as the little terrier he was well beyond simply politeness especially with the remark about Shodan owning someone. I can’t speak specifically though I have noticed a tendency for him to wait for someone else to come in and say something better, then say it was exactly what he was thinking. Just my impression though. Welcome to correction as always.

Personally, I go back and forth on Starving Artist. I’ve found him to be occasionally pleasant and occasionally infuriating. Let’s please not try to make him out to be some kind of saint just because mean ole Excalibre is picking on him.

I will say it is good to see that SA has gotten a new keyboard though. Sorting through the typos was tiring. :slight_smile: