This is a discussion that belongs in the pit, but probably in it’s own place, not the general thread about trolls.
Turn off Fox news and pay attention to the real world.
Elections in the USA are, in fact, transparent and auditable. If you truly don’t know who won then you have either been brainwashed or are trolling for outrage. Either way your best bet here is to keep away from your keyboard and just read.
Thank you kind mod.
The GOP disagree, and that’s before we get into people (and let’s be clear here - it’s pretty much just women) having their reproductive systems controlled by the government in all sorts of unpleasant and occasionally harmful ways.
Don’t they?
Except that the right have been busily undermining the unions since the Reagan era by every means fair and foul. Which is why wage inequality has expanded so drastically in that time.
But good to know you support labor unions.
Nobody is saying there shouldn’t be consequences for “unwelcome behavior”. That’s why we have laws and police who are supposed to enforce them in an even-handed way and be likewise subject to them.
If you’re relying on fear of police brutality to achieve compliance with the law, you’re doing it very, very wrong because you are literally incentivizing “unwelcome behavior” and illegal acts.
Not police brutality per se.
There is no escaping the reality that civilization is made possible by the threat of violence.
The entire system dead ends in violence unless you obey. If police come to arrest you and you don’t obey, they will unleash violence upon you. We all know that.
Election results here are routinely audited. It’s a straightforward process, not rocket surgery.
It’s no mystery why Republicans can’t find tangible evidence of election fraud. It’s because there’s no fucking fraud to find.
GulfTiger, it sounds, from what you said in the ‘Trolls’ thread, that though you’re not coming out as a full election denier, you have doubt as to the integrity of the 2020 election:
I’m curious as to what you think of my standard argument to election deniers. Even if you aren’t a full election denier yourself, perhaps you can point out any oversight or lapse of logic in this argument?
The 2020 election was the most closely watched election in history, specifically because Trump said before the 2016 election that it would be rigged, and even claimed it had been rigged after he won, saying that he would have gotten even more votes.
Each state controls its election process independently. Biden won the 2020 election because he won 8 swing or battleground states- Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. So for the Democrats to have ‘rigged’ the vote, they would have had to achieve the equivalent of not just the ‘heist of the century’, but 8 separate ‘heists of the century’ on the same night.
Some of those 8 swing states had Republican-controlled governments, like Arizona and Georgia. Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia Secretary of State at the time, who Trump famously asked to ‘find 11,780 votes’ had been a loyal acolyte in Trump’s good graces, up until then. Why would Raffensperger not have cried foul if he had had the slightest belief or evidence that the Georgia election had been rigged?
That’s a rather Manichean view. Is there no middle ground, in your opinion? It’s either institutionalized violence or anarchy?
Yes. That’s exactly the problem.
A world in which the only choice you have is to obey every police request, no matter how unreasonable or harassing, or face bodily harm and/or death which you will be blamed for isn’t “civilized”. But if you wish to argue that George Floyd is responsible for his own death, please continue to do so.
Police are given an extraordinary level of power. They should be subject to an extaordinary level of accountability. Otherwise we get the situation you advocate for – indeed, the situation we have – where the police murder people with impunity.
So, as a woman I have to have my uterus be “productive” or I’m not to have any rights?
Productive, as a idea means things biologically. It means to be a cromulent member of society I have to have babies.
That means I have to be married, I suppose.
That means I have lost my choice.
That means I can’t have cats, either.
You’re a lost little boy.
I’d have pity for you if your plan for my life, my choices, my value weren’t so disgusting.
How’s bout you let another person/policy tell you these things, for effing centuries and see how you feel about the loss of agency in your life and for your body.
Think about that, little one.
I never mentioned G. Floyd.
I don’t know how to not have police and civilization. But I think we give police too many nanny state laws with which to abuse us.
For example, pulling someone over because it’s illegal to have an air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror is ridiculous.
Well, other than the fraud they commit themselves. Of course, that’s not what they’re looking for.
Lots of mind reading there. I might try and unpack it later but I have work to do.
Dude, you said “productive” in your post.
Like I said, that means things.
Clarify.
(Excuse me it was “productive.” [period]…)
There is no such law.
Of course there is. It’s one of many laws officers can use for pretextual stops.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/17/us/police-air-fresheners.html
No, it says it right there in the title,
A majority of states have laws making it illegal to hang anything from a rearview mirror that obscures a driver’s view. But critics say the laws are often used as pretexts.
Then I guess I’m confused why you said that there is no such law?
Because there’s also no law that makes illegal to walk your pet alligator without a leash.
That’s from three years ago. More recently, states have been declaring that motorists cannot be pulled over simply because there is something hanging from the mirror.
That didn’t clarify your initial post, at all. But I don’t care to spend anymore time on this tangent.