"A White person would never be able to publicly use the n-word again and not pay a price"

There’s a CNN article making the rounds that’s claiming

The podcaster Joe Rogan did not join a mob that forced lawmakers to flee for their lives. He never carried a Confederate flag inside the US Capitol rotunda. No one died trying to stop him from using the n-word.

But what Rogan and those that defend him have done since [video clips] of him using the n-word surfaced on social media is arguably just as dangerous as what a mob did when they stormed the US Capitol on January 6 last year.

Rogan breached a civic norm that has held America together since World War II. It’s an unspoken agreement that we would never return to the kind of country we used to be.

That agreement revolved around this simple rule:

A White person would never be able to publicly use the n-word again and not pay a price.

Rogan has so far paid no steep professional price for using a racial slur that’s been called the "nuclear bomb of racial epithets." It may even boost his career. That’s what some say happened to another White entertainer who was recently caught using the word.

It is a sign of how desensitized we have become to the rising levels of violence – rhetorical and physical – in our country that Rogan’s slurs were largely treated as the latest racial outrage of the week.

But once we allow a White public figure to repeatedly use the foulest racial epithet in the English language without experiencing any form of punishment, we become a different country.
We accept the mainstreaming of a form of political violence that’s as dangerous as the January 6 attack.

However I take major disagreement with the whole premise, that Joe Rogan is somehow the first white public figure to utter the N-word without paying a price. In the past 30 years tons of white entertainers have used the N word publicly without paying the price. Howard Stern, Vince McMahon, Sarah Silverman, Louis CK, and plenty of others. Yes, some of them were called out, but it never directly derailed their careers. Howard Stern is still the most paid person on SiriusXM, Vince McMahon is still running the WWE, Sarah Silverman had an HBO show launch last December, Louis CK got cancelled but it wasn’t for racism and he’s slowly making a comeback.

Note I’m taking issue with the articles whole assertion and not about Joe Rogan.

In the past, White public figures who used the n-word provoked universal and unqualified condemnation. But Rogan has gotten some support.

It really makes it seem like the article is saying that Joe Rogan not being taken off Spotify is an aberration and not what has always happened for the past 30 years.

Could you clarify the facts here?

To me, “using” the word means using it as a slur against a Black person.

That is quite distinct from “speaking” or “mentioning” the word in the context of discussing its usage in society.

It’s now generally accepted that even mentioning it is highly inappropriate (“n-word” instead). But that’s orders of magnitude less serious than actually using it as a slur.

And given that distinction - I’m not exactly sure what “using” it in the context of a comedy routine might mean.

It was all similar to how Joe Rogan used it, either quoting it from someplace else or the shock of a white person using the N-word for comedic purposes. Howard Stern would have comedians on that would openly use the N-word (as he did) entirely for the shock/comedic value of it. Howard Stern would always deflect by claiming his black cohost Robin “approved” of his usage of the word.

So your problem is with CNN for calling him out, overblown as it might possibly have been, but not with Rogan using the word? Is that right?

I’m legitimately curious why Joe Rogan is being singled out when Howard Stern has made an entire career out of being a shock-jock and using the N-word.

Howard Stern was the King of Radio for decades and is making $120 million a year from SiriusXM, much more money than Joe Rogan is making off Spotify.

I’m going after the central conceit for the entire article, that Joe Rogan not being immediately removed from Spotify is somehow “unique”.

Maybe ask CNN, then.
ETA: I was lucky enough to grow up in Chicago where I could listen to Jonathon Brandmeier, Steve and Garry, and Kevin Matthews on the radio. I was never burdened with having to listen to Howard Stern for entertainment.

I was under the impression that the initial controversy with Rogan is that he’s pro-insurrection and spreading vaccine conspiracy theories. And that’s why Neil Young wanted his music off Spotify.

IMO Neil had no misconceptions that Spotify would remove Rogan, but that he (Neil) wanted it known that he would not share the platform with Rogan.

Yeah, really, I’m like, wait, Whitey getting his N-word Card permanently revoked is a civic norm “that has held America together since WW2”? It’s a civic norm over which there has been huge consensus since mid-20th century even among polite racists, but, really…

I just think the article is INCREDIBLY poorly researched. Look at this part

Celebrity chef Paula Deen lost her business empire and saw her cooking shows canceled by the Food Network in 2013 after she admitted using the n-word during a deposition in a lawsuit

That’s not that happened right? She lost her business empire over hosting a Plantation themed wedding and a bunch of other incidents. Somebody didn’t find her using the N word once and suddenly that was the inciting incident.

White people, the N word, It’s not your friend mmm-kay? It doesn’t make you cool, and there is really no reason that you would ever have to say it. If there is a reason why you might WANT to say it, perhaps search your heart. If you’re able.
(And “plantation themed” anything. Do you have rocks in your fucking head??)

I think it’s time the poor oppressed white man took back that word.

Mark Fuhrman didn’t suffer any great career problems after his exposure using that word. He’s published several books, has a radio program, and has frequently a guest on television programs.

John Lennon performed a song incorporating the word in both its lyrics and title, on the Dick Cavett show. Cavett reminisced;

I had John and Yoko on, and the suits said: “We’re gonna write a little insert just before the song for you to say.” I said, “You are going to censor my guests after I get them on the show? This is ludicrous.” So they wrote this thing, and I went in and taped it in order to retain the song. About 600 protests did come in. None of them about the song! All of them about, quote: “that mealy-mouthed statement you forced Dick to say before the show. Don’t you believe we’re grown up…” Oh, God. It was wonderful in that sense; it gave me hope for the republic.

No, she lost her business empire because she admitted in a deposition that she had used the N-word a number of times. The deposition was for a lawsuit claiming racial and sexual discrimination by Deen toward one of her employees. The suit claimed that Deen had made derogatory remarks towards Black on multiple occasions.

As for the plantation-themed wedding,

Jackson also said that Deen mused about wedding plans for her brother with a “true Southern plantation-style theme” with black male servers but rejected the plans “because the media would be on me about that”

So she lost her empire because 1) she admitted having used the N-word multiple times back in the 60s, which she apparently thought made it OK because oh, my goodness, that’s what white Southern women didduring the Civil Rights era. :roll_eyes: and 2) because she only ditched the idea of Black servers at a plantation-themed wedding because the media would’ve been on her case, not because she thought there was anything WRONG with reenacting slave society for a wedding.

I don’t listen to Howard Stern and only know that he’s a shock-jock. However, the fact he did used the n-word and wore blackface (as part of a parody of the Ted Danson incident) and was called out for it has no bearing on whether Deen or Rogan or anyone else should have to face the music.

I found Rogan’s Planet of the Apes remark even worse than his use of the n-word. Just because you’re so insensitive and so incredibly clueless that you don’t recognize how racist a remark is and don’t address it until you’re called out on it much later shouldn’t get you a free pass.

And you do get that the CNN piece was not an article but merely an opinion piece, right? Or did you think op-ed pieces always reflect the viewpoints of the news source that publishes them?

It’s in the holy trinity of words I was brought up not to say. It’s been a few years, but the only time I’ve used it was in academic papers and during lectures when I was specifically quoting someone. Even then I was uncomfortable using the word and I’m not chomping at the bit to reclaim it or something.

::Eyes Soup Plantation with suspicion::

Thank God Soup Plantation went out of business during the pandemic, otherwise it would have been cancelled!

I’ve never said it, but teachers certainly said it in the '90s or later in context. Generally, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying ANY word if you are quoting or reading something, though personally I censor myself and would never even quote it in public. It is a word that has been used against me in a hateful way.

CNN? I don’t think that we should be getting or paying attention to any lectures on morality or the exercise of fundamental freedoms from that hypocritical and irrelevant network.

Making any word taboo is infantile.

Certainly not. We should get them from Fox News!