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For people who are so concerned about unpast. milk – are you also concerned that they sell ground beef that isn’t cooked?
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This may be a revelation for you, but health risks and standards for food processing tend to differ, based on how a food is typically consumed (i.e. with or without cooking).
I’m amazed at the number of people who are taken in by claims about how a particular food product is ever so much better for you because it is raw/unprocessed/virgin/what have you. Typically, the sellers making these claims have very little science on their side. Plus the stuff costs more and has a greater chance (in some cases) of making you sick. What’s not to like? :rolleyes:
Yeah, if I was you I’d just relax and fire up a big ol’ cigar.
[QUOTE=magellan01]
That may be true. Yet, he was correct about me being able to drink raw milk, while I am unable to drink any other milk.
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Have you tried drinking goat’s milk? The subtly different proteins occasionally help people who have an intolerance to cow’s milk. If it works for you, then you can get pasturized goat’s milk.
And Miss Purl, I know I was repeating stuff said better upthread. Just wanted to add another voice against LHoD.
[QUOTE=Jackmannii]
I’m amazed at the number of people who are taken in by claims about how a particular food product is ever so much better for you because it is raw/unprocessed/virgin/what have you. Typically, the sellers making these claims have very little science on their side. Plus the stuff costs more and has a greater chance (in some cases) of making you sick. What’s not to like?
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I didn’t go back over the thread, but has anyone here made that claim?
No offense, but people who are this squeamish about food in that manner shouldn’t have their opinoions weighted in a discussion about it.
You know what scares me more than raw milk? Ferric pyrophosphate and aspartame and saccharin and high fructose corn syrup and yellow number 5 and all the rest of that shit that they just want to add to your “Hot Pockets” to preserve them and sweeten then. The stuff that has to be “okayed” by government organizations which are run by the same people who produce those food products.
[QUOTE=Pullet]
Have you tried drinking goat’s milk? The subtly different proteins occasionally help people who have an intolerance to cow’s milk. If it works for you, then you can get pasturized goat’s milk.
And Miss Purl, I know I was repeating stuff said better upthread. Just wanted to add another voice against LHoD.
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I didn’t know it was available. I’ll look and give it a try. But I did try, at the same doctor’s suggestion to try yogurt made from goat’s milk. My opninion: NAAASSSTY!!!
[QUOTE=magellan01]
I didn’t know it was available. I’ll look and give it a try. But I did try, at the same doctor’s suggestion to try yogurt made from goat’s milk. My opninion: NAAASSSTY!!!
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I had to drink goat’s milk when I was a kid (no pun intended) because the doc thought I was allergic to cow’s milk. I concur.
[QUOTE=Trunk]
No, it doesn’t NEED to be cooked thoroughly.
It SHOULD be cooked well to decrease the risk of several diseases.
I eat raw, yes RAW, ground beef all the time. Everytime I make hamburgers, I take a little chunk, and salt & pepper it, and eat it.
People just don’t seem to get that raw beef, raw eggs, un-pasteurized milk are things that some of want the option of eating.
For people who are so concerned about unpast. milk – are you also concerned that they sell ground beef that isn’t cooked? I know the risk of beef. I’m willing to accept the risk of milk. Is the only argument outside of Miss Purl’s motherbirding that the notion of drinking raw milk will spread to people who don’t know better?
What kind of fucked up inconsistent argument is that?
Nothing I fucking hate more than people telling me what I should do for my own good.
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Is this an answer to my post on store-bought ground scrapings off the slaughterhouse floor?
Comparing milk to meat is ridiculous. Most people are smart enough to cook meat. I would have said all, but apparently they aren’t. Milk is consumed uncooked, for the most part. I shudder to think that anyone would serve raw meat to a child, but someone that is ill informed about the dangers of raw milk would give it to their children.
Here in Massachusetts, there were several deaths a few months ago due to listeria. I’m not sure if it was from raw milk or contaminated pasteurized milk, but either way, it clearly does happen.
[QUOTE=Trunk]
No offense, but people who are this squeamish about food in that manner shouldn’t have their opinoions weighted in a discussion about it.
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Oh bullshit. That comment was just an aside to my main point - people, as a group, are rather dim. While there are certainly some people making an informed decision about drinking unpasturized milk, there are just as many people making the decision based on the fact that it’s “natural” and must be “healthful,” which is obviously garbage. A rather important milestone for humans was being able harness and use fire. This nifty discovery has led to some rather important health benefits such as being able to pasturize our food - say what you will about how pasturized food is increasing the incidence of asthma, and lupus, and all sorts of other auto-immune disorders - the average life expectancy has jumped by more than a decade since we starting frying the crap out of food and washing our hands once and a while.
As to your other points - I do agree - high fructose corn syrup is basically poison. Frankly I don’t think choosing to eat it is a particularly wise choice either.
[QUOTE=magellan01]
That may be true. Yet, he was correct about me being able to drink raw milk, while I am unable to drink any other milk.
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And do you agree that Una should cure her diabetes with cinnamon, too? Not every single thing a practitioner of Chinese medicine does is wrong and dangerous, but I’d take their advice with a huge grain of salt, and I wouldn’t take their medicines at all (as far as I know, their herbs are completely unregulated, and herbs can be as dangerous as any other medication).
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And do you agree that Una should cure her diabetes with cinnamon, too? Not every single thing a practitioner of Chinese medicine does is wrong and dangerous, but I’d take their advice with a huge grain of salt, and I wouldn’t take their medicines at all (as far as I know, their herbs are completely unregulated, and herbs can be as dangerous as any other medication).
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I have no opinion as to what she should do. I just told you what worked for me. If my practitioner suggested it to me, I’d probably try it. In case you’re unaware, western medicine doesn’t have all the answers. As they didn’t with my stomach ailments after two years of every test and procedure in the book. Now it’s fixed. How? Sorry to bum you out, but by another chiropractor using non-western method.
[QUOTE=magellan01]
I have no opinion as to what she should do. I just told you what worked for me. If my practitioner suggested it to me, I’d probably try it. In case you’re unaware, western medicine doesn’t have all the answers. As they didn’t with my stomach ailments after two years of every test and procedure in the book. Now it’s fixed. How? Sorry to bum you out, but by another chiropractor using non-western method.
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By saying you have “no opinion” and that you would try it if suggested means in effect you are equating successful treatment of Type 1 diabetes with cinnamon, which has never in the history of humankind been shown to work, and which if continued as the method of treatment for Type 1 diabetes would lead to hyperglycemia which would eventually result in death, with the standard treatment of insulin injections and blood tests which has worked to extend the lives of diabetics for nearly 90 years.
Western medicine may not have all the answers but it works on a sound scientific basis of repeatable cause and effect which does not involve spiritualism or hocus pocus. It may get things wrong at times, sometimes seriously, but at least the process is sound.
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By saying you have “no opinion” and that you would try it if suggested means in effect you are equating successful treatment of Type 1 diabetes with cinnamon, which has never in the history of humankind been shown to work, and which if continued as the method of treatment for Type 1 diabetes would lead to hyperglycemia which would eventually result in death, with the standard treatment of insulin injections and blood tests which has worked to extend the lives of diabetics for nearly 90 years.
Western medicine may not have all the answers but it works on a sound scientific basis of repeatable cause and effect which does not involve spiritualism or hocus pocus. It may get things wrong at times, sometimes seriously, but at least the process is sound.
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Nice twisting of my words, sweetie. May I suggest a more honest rephrasing of my position next time. My saying I had no opinion about what YOU should do meant just that (imagine that). You see I am not YOU, and I am not a doctor of any sort, so it would be ridiculous for me to opine on what you should do medically. Does that make sense to you, honey?
Here, let me lay it out for you more clearly. IF I had diabetes AND had no or limited success controlling it through traditional (western) methods, AND I had a trusted alternative healer who had helped me previously, AND he (or she) was of the opinion that cinnamon had been shown to help people in the past and might help me in my specific situation, I would probably try it.
Now, your attempt to portray chiropractic and/or chinese medicine as things rooted in spiritualism and hocus pocus (and therefore are dangerous and/or ineffective) shows you know not of what you speak. As I mentioned earlier, I saw gastroenterologists and other specialists for over two years for stomach ailments and after giving me (their words) “every test and procedure they could think of” they, literally, threw up their hands. I went to a chinese chiropractor and I saw improvements every week, while being completely “cured” in three-four months.
Must have been all that chanting, complete avoidance of the color orange, and walking around with eye of newt in each arm pit. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Blalron]
I sometimes wonder, who was the first person to look at a cows teats and thought “I should drink whatever comes out of these!”
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Well, I’ve heard in extended campaigns the Mongols would sustain themselves with their horses’ blood. Our milk-drinking progenitors probably sucked whatever they could to survive.
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness]
Doing a little more googling comes up with some better information:
From 1998 to May 2005 CDC identified 45 outbreaks of foodborne illness that implicated unpasteurized milk, or cheese made from unpasteurized milk. These outbreaks accounted for 1,007 illnesses, 104 hospitalizations, and two deaths. This is based on information in CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report for the week of March 2, 2007. The actual number of illnesses was almost certainly higher because not all cases of illness are recognized and reported.
Daniel
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And might I possibly ask, what is the population of the UD, and what %age does this happen to represent? Or if you get seriously picky, what is the number of people in the US consuming those products, and what %age does that number represent?
Christ on a crutch, there is e coli in anything mammilian with a digestive tract and you can get it from all sorts of exposures other than raw milk. I don’t happen to get Mortality and Morbidity Weekly from the CDC any longer, but there are lots of other way nasty ways to go that are easier to get exposed to than raw milk.
On preview: The thousand illnesses there caused by raw milk are from only 1 percent of the milk sales in the United States. That’s a hell of a lot of sickness for something that is only the barest sliver of milk sales.
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4716 million lbs of milk were sold total in the US in Dec 07. Anybody have any idea what that works out to in gallons? and what 1% of that would be?Any idea what teh average person buys in the way of milk per year?
