I’m sorry…WHO are you punishing? Two millionaires? Or supposedly Republican voters along with millions of Democrats who live in Texas.
Gee, it looks like the climate scientists that me and many others consulted before were more on the money about the number of hurricanes not increasing, **but that when they manage to arrive on land to be stronger than before. **
Mind you that in studies like that and others I have seen do point to the possibility that the number of hurricanes can increase after the mid century mark, provided that we do not do much about our emissions of course.
Texas can pay for their own recovery, in my opinion. However, the Republicans control all three branches of the federal government, so I’m well aware the recovery money and associated pork will be unlimited since Jesus won’t mitigate the damage based on the state’s elected officials.
The shitbags in the red states do love to whine about federal spending and they love to praise Jesus. Their assholes Senators voted NO on Hurricane Sandy relief.
There are plenty of people in red states on the left end of the political spectrum, plus I don’t really see why those likely to be on the right end should suffer either.
You seem to be seriously lacking compassion. Shitbags like you make it harder for decent folks on the left to actually get a hearing from those who might oppose us.
I live in Texas, and I’m not a Republican. How’s about cutting us a bit of slack here?
Clothahump will NEVER respond to this.
Landfall just happened at exactly 10PM CDT, 4 miles east of Rockport, TX. That’s 30 miles ENE of Corpus Christi.
Do you have permission from these “many others” to share y’all’s complete ignorance of how exponential functions behave in nature? … you own citation claims these matters are uncertain, try reading it again and this time try reading with comprehension …
… and it may be decades longer before we can … this is your cite, not mine …
The blurb summarizes itself quite nicely:
Did’ya catch that part about changes “not yet detectable due to the small magnitude” … there’s absolutely nothing about Hurricane Harvey that can be connected to global warming … and this might be news to you, but Category 4 storms landing in Texas isn’t unusual, it’s a feature of the current climate, no change necessary …
But a good citation, I’m impressed with you … it’s good to see you being more agreeable to the notion that any claims of any kind right now are foolishness …
Well, my bad. Typically hurricanes don’t go from Category 1 to 4 in less than 24 hours. That’s nearly unheard of.
Nor do they often do what they’re predicting this one will do, and meander about the coast, instead of heading inland to the NE.
So… stay safe everyone down in S. Texas and on the coast!
Yeah bump, not likely many folks along the Texas Gulf coast will have electricity on Monday, much less be at work. This looks to be one nasty and undying storm.
If a hurricane had to hit I am glad that it hit a red state, but not for the petty vindictive schadenfreude reasons expressed by many here. Rather because if a red state is hit, then it is likely that it will receive the government assistance it needs. If the Hurricane was set to make land fall at Berkeley CA, you know that Trump wouldn’t raise a finger to assist. Although he might send a gloating tweet.
On the bad side this will be the first non-self-inflicted crisis that Trump will have to deal with in which Americans lives may depend on his leadership abilities. So even with thousands of MAGA Trump supporters at risk, he may not be up to the challenge any more than GW Bush was for Katrina.
I did you certified idiot.
That cite was to reply to your ongoing stupid point that scientists were predicting doomsday hurricanes and often.
And all that tap dancing only to mostly agree with what I did say. The only dumb thing is your willful ignorance that the point here is that scientists did predict that hurricanes are intensifying in force and going from a cat 1 to 4 in less than 24 hours does fit what was expected in a warming world.
Contradicting your early stupid point that I was not reading for comprehension. Lets be clear you ellipsis lover and confuser of science: I was correct before and now about scientists not being in the business of predicting hypercanes, they do report that they are unlikely and their numbers are not likely to increase soon, but that the intensity of the hurricanes will increase. And your efforts in other threads to undermine the trust with the climate scientists were dumb.
You really are a complete fucking moron. As noted over here in the famous Omnibus Trolls R Us Thread, virtually everything you ever post about climate change – oh, hell, just about everything you ever post about anything – is usually stupidly wrong. A note to the wise reader: don’t believe anything you read in posts that are festooned with ellipses.
So you blather on about an article that you claim says that the effect of climate change on hurricanes isn’t yet statistically detectable, yet you just finished stupidly claiming that just because one hasn’t made US landfall in 11 years maybe there are now fewer of them! 
If you weren’t a fucking moron you’d understand the hilarity of this, and you’d also know that large numbers of Atlantic hurricanes never make US landfall. You’d also know that records are readily available and they show that an average of 6.36 major Atlantic hurricanes formed every year in the past 11 years, compared to 6.2 annually since the beginning of comprehensive satellite observations in the 60s, so you’re stupidly wrong again – there are more hurricanes forming now than the average over the past half century.
GIGO is right about hurricane intensity and the research backs him up – however, that’s not a particularly good article on the subject, and it got you completely confused, which admittedly is your constant condition so I can’t really blame the article. But whether it was intentional or not, the article is misleading. It serves to make the basic point for which GIGO cited it, but not the extended bullshit that you dredged out of it.
One problem is that it talks about “hurricane activity” but in many of the pronouncements they bounce around between talking about frequency and intensity, and fail to clarify which one they mean. There’s no clear statistically meaningful trend in hurricane frequency, but there’s a very clear trend in North Atlantic hurricane energy (particularly as measured by the PDI) which the article mentions but doesn’t highlight clearly enough. A strong source for that is the work of Kerry Emanuel, one of the world’s foremost hurricane researchers:
Emanuel (2005) found a strong correlation between the North Atlantic PDI to tropical Atlantic sea surface temperature (SST; r2 = 0.65) … Klotzbach (2006) found a significant increasing linear trend in North Atlantic ACE over the period 1986–2005 (see also Wu et al. 2008), and a statistically significant correlation between North Atlantic SST and ACE.
In the Atlantic, potential intensity, low-level vorticity, and vertical wind shear strongly covary and are also highly correlated with sea surface temperature
ftp://texmex.mit.edu/pub/emanuel/PAPERS/Factors.pdf
There’s no doubt that rising SSTs are due to rising global temperatures, and the correlation with higher hurricane energies in the North Atlantic is very strong, so your bloviation that “any claims of any kind right now are foolishness” is more of your usual never-ending bullshit. It’s true that some have questioned the attribution of elevated SSTs in the North Atlantic as the current primary factor in increased hurricane energies so far, as opposed to SST differentials with other ocean basins, yet few question the fundamental long-term role of high SSTs as the engines of hurricane formation. Most acknowledge the likelihood that Atlantic hurricanes will become stronger by the end of the century, along with other forms of extreme weather.
I know the article is from GFDL which is part of NOAA, but whoever wrote it seems to be of a skeptical mindset and has actually been misleading in a few areas, such as conflating hurricane frequency and intensity metrics, or citing a paper by Chris Landsea on why hurricane frequency numbers may be inflated. No one is citing frequency numbers as a key metric anyway, and furthermore, Landsea isn’t a particularly trustworthy source. He’s a hot-headed contrarian asshole who once quit his assignment at the IPCC when the consensus of authors disagreed with him, accusing them of conspiracies to push an agenda and getting into public shouting matches with renowned scientists.
The article does cite a very good paper by Kerry Emanuel and Michael Mann, but manages to botch that up, too. It summarizes one of its points very poorly and with a denialist mindset. The article says “Mann and Emanuel (2006) hypothesize that a reduction in aerosol-induced cooling over the Atlantic in recent decades may have contributed to the enhanced warming of the tropical North Atlantic”. This makes it sound like Atlantic warming was due to aerosol reductions and not greenhouse gas emissions, but that’s not true and that’s not what the paper says at all. What it says is “late twentieth century tropospheric aerosol cooling has offset a substantial fraction of anthropogenic warming in the region and has thus likely suppressed even greater potential increases in tropical cyclone activity.” – IOW, the paper reaffirms the role of anthropogenic greenhouse gases in raising sea surface temperatures and reaffirms their effect on hurricane formation, which effect would have been even stronger had it not been for aerosol cooling in part of the second half of the 20th century. From the article, the reader might be left with the opposite impression of what the Mann and Emanuel paper was really saying.
It is very simple, Yosemite Sam is a very sensitive crybaby so anything that is not celebrating his racist bigotry is completely horrible criticism, but the bigoted crybaby has no self awareness and is a gross hypocrite, so thinkings everyonehas to accept his racist bigotry…
If a storm would strike only those who deserve it, that would be one thing. In reality, though, it’ll just cause problems for people who need help and really don’t give a shit about politics. That’s the problem with conservative bullies. The bullies get to be assholes and it’s hard to bully them back without injuring innocent people.
On summer 2018 in all local theaters: ALLIGATORNADO.
And if Clothahump loses his business, he can do stunts and maybe become a movie star.
Although I don’t think he would want live in California, you know, all those libtards around…
I don’t get the reference (?) …
Oh!
Now I get it. Die = The
Subtle
But the pay can be good.
I predict trump and his minions will find some way to fuck up and make things worse.
Let’s just wait an appropriate amount of time and then declare the storm to be God’s judgement.
Just like they do all the time.
Earthquakes? God
Fires? God
Hurricane on east coast? God
9/11 attack in NYC? God.
etc.