Abolish the Pit

People need to have a place to work out what they need to work out. Having this place is like having a pillow to punch, except when you punch this pillow you at least get some sort of responce.

It’s a place where you can bitch with out serious repercussions, you can get people’s true opinions rather then suger coated bullshit and it’s a spot where i can write things like “suger coated bullshit” or “fuck you, you you rotten jack ass” (i’m not actually calling anyone a rotten jack ass, it’s just an illustration) with out worrying that i’m going to offend anyone.

Getting rid of this is like trying to get rid of people like Dennis Leary, Bill Mhar and (the great one) George Carlin.
Upham

Or, you could email the person who has outraged you.

Sorry…that was a response to Spiritus Mundi.

Upham…that’s where I differ in opinion from Pit-lovers. I don’t think that it’s a good thing to get one’s agressions out by yelling and screaming (even in writing). It just seems counterproductive. Like I said in the OP, it causes bad feelings but rarely accomplishes anything.
I think punching pillows is more worthwhile. To each his own, though. Looks like the consensus is…the Pit stays!

This, like option 3, creates the impression that personal criticism is improper in a free exchange of ideas.

“People should never criticize each other” is not a tenet that I consider valuable. Sometimes people do things which should be criticized. When the offense is public a private rebuke is no different than a quiet acceptance.

  1. Not all personal criticisms involve yelling and screaming.
  2. Counterproductive according to what standard? Registering a public complain is quite productive if one’s aim is to let the public know about one’s complaint.

Don’t get me wrong…I don’t think there’s any problem with telling someone you disagree with them and letting them know why. God knows I’ve done it enough on these boards in the past few weeks. I never said that “people should never criticize each other.” And I don’t even think they should necessarily remain private. As I said in the OP, they should be taken to email or discussed politely in the same thread. I can see that this would make for some disjointed threads. That’s why I then suggested keeping the Pit but eliminating personal attacks, just like in the other forums (or fora for the nitpickers :slight_smile: ).

So, you could conceivably say, “Hey, UncleBeer! I have a problem with your opinions!!” instead of “Hey, UncleBeer! You’re a goat-felching ass!” (This is, of course, a purely hypothetical example…UncleBeer’s alright in my book.)

I know that the majority of Pit threads aren’t the kind that personally call people out. It just seems that too many Pit threads degenerate into unnecessary name-calling and, because they’re in the Pit, people are a little trigger-happy on the hostility. In addition, people are less apt to read the best intentions into other people’s words. Things that could be stated in GQ or GD and taken at face value are read into and the worst is assumed. The threads that don’t degenerate in this manner could just as well be located in MPSIMS, GD, or IMHO. My suggestion was for us to eliminate the degeneration.

Duh. Because they’re all scared of Euty kicking their asses, that’s why.

Awwwww, andros, ya big lug! I had no idea what a sensitive guy you really were. Ask tatertot sometime about my personal opinion on Hello Kitty… ugh.

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And you can put me in the “Fuck no!” camp, by the way.

C3 i am not saying that “yelling and screaming” are exactly healthy either

What i am saying is that it’s nice to have a place where rather then having to say “Personally, i am of the opinion that such behaviour in impolite and improper” a person can be blunt, eg: “you muttonheaded fuck face, why’d you have to go and do a damn fool thing like that?”

You can see that, while one sounds phony and impersonal (though “nice”) the other sounds honest and heart felt, you can practically see the persons eyes getting red.

And so the Pit shall stand.
Upham

Isn’t C3 just contradicting himself when he says The Pit needs to be abolished and yet in his mind he seems to be using it to good use?

Some people, for any number of reasons, prefer not to make their email address public. As one who’s had a stalker or two, I can certainly understand why. Incidentally, you don’t have YOUR email listed, C3…mind telling us why?

It’s been discussed, exhaustively. Bottom line is, Ed likes it, most of the moderators like it, it’s gonna stay. FWIW, I was the one who brought up abolishing the Pit.

Hey-dem’s fightin words! I LIKE Hello Kitty, dammit!
Um, you stupid, um, moderator Dutch person!
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Gosh, all these fine people are being so nice to you about this subject C3! :eek:

I would have liked to insult you, but with your intelligence you wouldn’t get offended.

I’m not much good at insults. That’s why I enjoy reading the Pit. The good ones make me laugh after a really crappy day at work. I read all the things I’d like to say to some of my customers/colleagues/management.

Call me a voyeur, but reading the ass-toasting that goes on in here makes me feel happy. I enjoy it. And knowing that it’s here if I really need to vent is a good thing. It’s like the aspirin in my medicine cabinet. Most of the time, I don’t need it. But when I’ve got a headache, it’s there for me.

Keeping it all in or inadvertedly taking your anger out on others is also counterproductive. I’m not advocating totally thrashing anyone, but you got to admit, the alternatives aren’t much better.

And does venting really not accomplish anything? I’ve started two Pit threads, vented about what was on my mind, and in the end, felt much better. I also felt better after reading the encouragement and anecdotes that others posted to my thread. And I know it’s not just me. Many of the Pit threads I’ve read have ended in a lighter tone than they started out. To me, that means that the OP’er is feeling better. That’s accomplishing something, don’t you think?

Also, the act of flaming does not cause the bad feelings. They were pretty much already there.

That’s what I gravitated to when I came here.
I don’t swear much or attack anybody or those other things, but I don’t mind if other people do.

I just like the tenor of the place.

I don’t usually post a lot in the Pit–the past few days excepted–but I can see the overall utility of the place. Right or wrong, it gives strong emotions and ::koff:: uncouth expressions somewhere to go. In party terms, it’s the alley. “Whoops, need to take it outside, guys.”

I can only remember starting two threads, both times over things that happened to other people that upset me badly. Better believe I was partisan as hell, but it felt good to have a place to vent the anger and along the way ask if I was totally off base. I’m rarely angry so I don’t do it well. It was helpful to just lay it out for folks who wouldn’t mince words.

Veb
P.S. I’m still in awe of DDG’s masterful defense of plain–if bizarre and often creatively obscene–speaking in a world of “po faced hyprocrites”, etc. And like Persephone the place has a certain train-wreck fascination.

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Hey-dem’s fightin words! I LIKE Hello Kitty, dammit!
Um, you stupid, um, moderator Dutch person!
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Don’t worry, Guinistasia, ClogMod might say he hates Hello Kitty, but I didn’t see him turning down the Hello Kitty bubblegum I got for him. I think his favorite is My Friend Daniel, though. He’s a big softie, that ClogMod is. :smiley:

Well, C3 made a brave, albeit foolhardy, foray to try to talk sense into the very people who enjoy the BBQ Pit–marching directly into the hornet’s nest as it were, wildly waving both hands to get attention–and ended up looking like the “after picture” of Saint Sebastian. (All this reminds me of when I lived in Richmond, and one day came across a park monument to a Virginia military regiment. Included in the list of its campaigns was “Pickett’s Charge”.)

The Straight Dope Message Board has been compared to a restaurant, and I think of the BBQ Pit as the restaurant’s broken bathroom–the one with the overflowing toilet. And while the vast majority of customers sensibly head toward the other end of the establishment, or at least move upwind, a select group–god help them–for some reason seem drawn to the stink.

I’ve also wondered why, as a commercial establishment, the Chicago Reader doesn’t do everything possible to discourage BBQ postings. Are there advertisers out there who review the SDMB, see the BBQ Pit, and say “There–that’s the kind of consumer we’re interested in! People who don’t watch TV because ‘the Jerry Springer show is too intellectual’, and who go to the zoo because they ‘like to watch the gorillas throw feces at each other.’” As Lynn noted, some time back Ed Zotti himself personally endorsed the BBQ Pit, so unless there’s been a change of heart, or some Higher Entity intervenes–CECIL! HEAR OUR FERVENT PLEA!–it’s not going anywhere. Still, I don’t think it would hurt if the SDMB did more to dissuade people from congregating there, for example: “WARNING–This Forum is populated by losers trying to impress other losers. Expressly maintained for the kind of people who can’t count to eleven without taking their shoes off.” Or maybe, like exiled smokers, make them post in the rain and cold, from terminals placed outside the building.

Of course, we might convince the BBQ Pit fans of the errors of their ways by setting a good example–posting such fascinating missives in the other forums that they longer can imagine wasting their time and efforts in the BBQ Pit. And people who did post in the BBQ Pit would find that nobody was interested in their scribblings, because everyone else was too busy participating in the other forums. Yeah, right–ah, sweet mysteries of life…

Anyway, to end on a lighter note, I’m sure that one thing we can all agree on is the importance of buying as many Straight Dope books as possible, for family, friends and perhaps even total stangers. ALL HAIL UNCLE CECIL!

I should just let this drop and not respond anymore because it seems that most people disagree with me, so my suggestion obviously was off base. That’s cool. it was only a point I wanted to discuss and certainly not a battle worth dying for. I do want to clear up a few loose strings, though.
First, and most importantly:

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Isn’t C3 just contradicting himself when he says The Pit needs to be abolished and yet in his mind he seems to be using it to good use?*
I’m a she!
Secondly, I posted this here because it is in reference to the Pit and because, as it stands, the Pit is the place to discuss this message board. Makes sense to me.

You have a point. I don’t have my email listed because I use my work email for the SDMB(I check it more often than my home address) and I didn’t think it would be prudent to publicize it. If any of you ever need to contact me in person, just let me know on the boards and I’ll happily email you at your address or put it in whatever thread you ask for it in. Please choose that route before you start a Pit thread about me! I’ll try to be on my best behavior so that I never warrant a Pit thread!

Thank you! (I think?) The thing is, I do get offended when people yell at me, call me names, or are rude to me. It makes me so offended that it becomes more difficult for me to listen to their concerns or complaints objectively. Typically, I tend to get angry and rude back at them and think that they’re complete asses so their complaints must be worthless. In the end, they’re pissed off, I’m pissed off, and nothing constructive is accomplished. Which is my whole point. It seems, though, that for the people who’ve responded to this thread, the initial rant is the primary thing they hope to accomplish. The letting off of steam is their purpose and not necessarily the solution to a problem. I had never really looked at it that way because I’m just not the type of person who finds that satisfying. To me, the rant just makes me more mad and causes me even more frustration. It’s hard for me to put myself in other people’s shoes in this instance, but I think I’m starting to understand.

I do hope you appreciate the irony here, whitetho. Insulting all BBQ posters because you think insults are stupid, huh?

Makes perfect sense, mate. Really.

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