What does this mean though? Are we saying fire them all and send them all home to think on their sins? If that isn’t what we mean, then isn’t this just more platitudes using more evocative language?
What she has wrong is advocating violence, terrorism, and open revolution. I’m all for changing police tactics. When she starts talking about destroying shit, she loses me and many, many other people.
“We” don’t own anything. Who is “we”? Blacks? A hell of a lot of white people work for employee wages and don’t own anything either.
Rosewood. Fuck me. I wasn’t there. Were you? Was anyone still alive? Do we deserve to be tarred for Rosewood? On the basis of simply our skin color?
They blame conservatives for not being inclusive. Do you hear any inclusivity there? Nope. It’s a war: black vs. white in her mind. I find that deeply troubling instead of reassuring. I was taught from a young age not to divide into us versus them shit.
This lady is excluding many, many people who are not only willing to help her, but suffer from the same thing she is complaining of.
And just to follow up on that, a person like me who lives an upper middle class lifestyle has absolutely nothing in common with the white guy that owns Target. Nothing at all. We don’t rub elbows or drink scotch together at the country club. That dude is not in my social circle anymore than in that lady’s social circle.
But her racism would lead her to believe that because the guy that owns Target and me both have the same skin color, that I could say that “we” own Target. That was the type of racial thing I was taught was very wrong…and that was in the 1980s.
“Us and them” is easy to avoid when there hasn’t been a 400 year history of “them” systematically brutalizing, raping, and murdering people who look like you.
The idea is crazy. But Biden doesnt want that, and even AOC just wants to cut the fat from a bloated budget. So, this isnt the Democrats asking to abolish the police.
Who would enforce the laws that prohibited police from doing so if the police force is fragmented and privatized? How good have corporation beens historically in self policing and sensitivity training?
It isn’t coincidence that all 57 cheered the charged officers. It’s not a curious collection of 57 terrible people it’s the culture. That culture has infected police forces across the nation.
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I really don’t understand what’s being suggested by people saying we should “abolish the police”.
It’s 2 AM and I see someone trying to break into my neighbor’s garage, what are you proposing should happen?
I get into my car and start driving 120 mph down the interstate, what should happen?
I’m a divorced woman who has sole custody of my 8-year-old child, and my ex-husband comes over drunk, grabs the kid and drives off with him, what should I do?
I’m a woman who invited a man over to my house after a dinner date, but it’s now 11 PM and he refuses to leave unless I sleep with him, and is getting aggressive, what should I do?
If your answer to these questions is “an organization associated with the government and authorized to use force should respond and address the situation”, hey, guess what, that’s called “the police”. If your answer is “deal with it yourself”, you’re a lunatic.
Wrong on both and I even wrote the replies without reading the end of your post until later…
So nope, you just did not read what the ones that propose that are actually proposing, they are talking about the police that we should get right after the current one is dismissed.
Really modern policing has its roots in controlling “workers.” In the South that meant slaves. In the North that meant the poor, most often immigrants.
Essentially modern policing and the idea of a “patrol” (as opposed to the police showing up only when needed) came from the desire of businesses to break up rebellions and strikes. And rebellions and strikes were mainly slave and immigrant uprisings.
So the roots of American policing are racist, but poor white immigrant populations ultimately were allowed to assimilate while black populations have continued to be systemically repressed. I often see the claim made that US policing had its roots exclusively in slave-catching, and while the half-truth of that claim bothers my love of facts, I don’t see much point in pushing back against it because the police can be plenty racist anyway without a direct connection to slavery, and they’ve certainly all developed from systems of corruption and oppression.
Congratulations on not being a lunatic. But tell me, how many other institutions have been “abolished”, and yet continue to exist by the same name and serving the same function in society?
First, she doesn’t have a 400 year history of anything. She is maybe 30 at the most. And to have a “them” is the most abject form of racism that there is. She looks at me like people who participated in the Rosewood Massacre? Or police officers that did her wrong? Why? Because I share the same skin color as them?
Perhaps if you said “Yeah, black people have been disenfranchised for many years, and I want to help fellow human beings who have been disenfranchised” you could answer you question of “why?”
Is it really that complicated? I mean, do you seriously not think that minorities have been shitted upon for years? I don’t know your anonymous username, but are you white? If you are, how can you not know that white people get the benefit of the doubt almost always?
I really don’t understand this POV, and it saddens me
Your statements are not supported by your cite and the cite itself starts out by citing the roots of policing and then editorializes into its own unsupported position.
The only thing that your cite and the Snopes page actually support is the desultory fact that once urban areas reached a certain size you couldn’t count on a part time police force to enforce laws; you needed a full time paid staff. You see that today. A town starts out with a volunteer fire department and then grows to where it needs to hire full time guys with full pay. Nothing nefarious there.
And yes, if that meant that runaway slaves were a problem in that city, then they certainly enforced those laws along with all others. But this idea that modern policing is a racist thing is simply made up out of whole cloth. The cites in your article show exactly why the need was there.
Your interpretation of the article is so egregiously self-serving I don’t think there’s much I can say in response. You’ve pretty much written the whole thing off because it doesn’t support your position.
Also: “runaway slaves were a problem in that city.” Hopefully you understand that the problem was slavery, not runaway slaves.
