I’ve always wondered about Hermaphroditic Angels. In several Solomonic or Cabbalistic mythologies angels are often described as Hermaphrodites, having both male and female vestiges and physical organs. Were the Holy Angels that appeared and sublimated unto prophets, hosts, and virgins actually Intersexual or Gay individuals?
A hermaphrodite being born would not be unlike to the Kali Girl that was born and operated on last year in India. The source of our spiritual plane made mundane.
As a tangent, hopefully brief, I’d like to provide an excerpt from http://www.outproud.org/article_suicide.html
The sad truth is that a great many of us didn’t make it.
Mph, that sounds potentially somewhat disturbing. IANAGeneticist either, but from what I’ve read, geneticists think that certain traits such as bipolar syndrome may be linked to other minority traits such as exceptional creativity.
Since, as you note, genes tend not to be specific to one particular trait, I wonder where the line should be drawn in efforts to “clean up” the gene pool. Lotta baby-with-the-bathwater potential there, it appears.
By “dumping,” I hope you mean put up for adoption by people who can provide them with what they need. But I feel sorry for the ones who are not “dumped,” but who are kept, and raised in a homophobic environment.
I can assure you as an active participant of the LGBT rights movement that it is not considered a neutral or non-gendered term, in either a descriptive or a prescriptive sense, at least inside the community. Feminist linguistics tends to take issue with masculine terms being used as general terms, such as “mankind”, etc. In addition, there’s a perception among some women that the word “lesbian” is distastefully Eurocentric, referring as it does to a Greek island and a European perception of sapphism*, so it’s becoming increasingly popular for some women to abandon the term “lesbian” in favor of the more unwieldy but more identity-affirming “queer woman of color”. My point is that you should avoid the topic of different words for not-hetero people unless you have several hours to kill. 
That does not follow. A gun rights advocate could conceivably claim that she should be allowed to buy a shotgun but not a rocket launcher. That wouldn’t make her a hypocrite, nor would she “have to accept” legal rocket launchers. In fact, the high rate of abortion of female fetuses in India is a topic sure to raise many feminists’ hackles.
A pro-choice person like myself could, in fact, accept a woman’s legal right to abort a gay baby for being gay, without accepting the morality of the action in question. In fact, just about everyone who calls himself “pro-choice” is anti-abortion; we just believe that the practice needs to stay legal for some combination of reasons (safety, public health, civil liberties, whatever). Just like it’s possible to be both anti-gun and pro-gun-rights–like my late father, who hated guns but was generally in favor of peoples’ rights to own one.
So, no matter what develops in the study of sexual identity, righties will stick their fingers in their ears and yell “La la la, I can’t hear you!”? That’s comforting, I guess…
Interesting and only partially relevant tidbit I read recently: Iran, of all places, is something like #2 in the world in sex change surgery, because their “solution” for homosexuality is to force gay and lesbian people to undergo the procedure, all expenses paid. (I’m not sure whether this is a cultural norm or a legal imperative.)
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Hostile Dialect,
Hostile Dialect, Narcissist
Whatever. I’m not doing your research for you-you’ve been here long enough to know that if YOU make a claim, you’re the one who provides evidence for it, not the other way around.
So, in that case, I’m going to make a guess that you have no evidence to support what you’re saying, or at least nothing beyond mere rumor.
3cushion, why wouldn’t it be? Are you trying to imply that those of us who are pro-CHOICE would advocate forced abortions?
It will be debated until time stops. I doubt art will cease because the tortured souls of Van Gough or Hitler have their crazy genes re-sequenced. IMO, a lot of social behavior is herd mentality. Every century sees it’s Victorian Era and it’s Communal Era. It’s not like hippies discovered free love and all of a sudden flower children will dissappear.
I’m sure you wear your bigotry badge with honour and spit-shine it every time you call someone else a bigot.
Interesting that you mention rocket launcehrs because, in that case, pro-gun people would (generally) accept a limitation to the right. Pro-choice people tend not to accept any limitations at all to the right to abort.
It is my experience -but certainly not true in the SDMB- that most pro-choice people I meet are less happy or indiferent to abortion. They accept the right, but see it as a tragic choice.
You’re certainly right that a person with your beliefs would place a much greater importance to the woman’s right than to the fact that you see nothing wrong with “gayness” and therefore not think it is a particularly good reason to abort.
That’s weird that you’ve had a different experience on the SDMB. I can’t say I follow.
But otherwise, your description of pro-choice people is accurate IME. And I say that as an active member of VOX, the college advocacy wing of Planned Parenthood–just so you know i’m not just spouting off.
I’m glad we found something to agree on. I do mean that. The abortion debate tends to present an unusual opportunity for people on opposite sides to find common ground.
Hostile Dialect,
Hostile Dialect, Narcissist
I would pay to see the anti-abortionists picket that clinic.
I image they would say to give birth, then send the kids to an interment camp were they could be “scared straight.”
Perhaps we could expand this through DNA screening and find out everyone’s weaknesses (AKA sins), ones that would be promiscuous can be castrated, thoughs who will be thiefs can be locked up in infancy so they can get use to it, those who commit adultery can have a scarlet letter A branded into their forehead, if done at a early enough age they won’t feel it as babies can’t feel pain, ones that will drink too much can be sent to a dry country.
Or we can just try God’s way: Love
Despite what the anti-abortion crowd thinks, I’ve yet to meet a pro-choice person who was “pro-abortion.” I’ve always wondered why they call us pro-abortion when we are not, yet they don’t use the term anti-abortion, which they are.
Pro-choice people recognize that woman should have the legal right to chose to have an abortion is that is what she wants. I don’t understand how anyone can say the fetus has the right to use anyone’s body against their will, a right no other object in the entire universe has.
And if you think “pro-life” people don’t get abortions, you are very mistaken. The only moral abortions are their abortions.
Almost every mammal, except humans get this absolute right.
As for terms, it is Life and choice :
(bold mine)
Abortion is just the method to choose death and curses.
Of course not. Perhaps it is just my experience with debates in this area (MN) but I seem to run into a lot of people who have less than reasoned opinions on this issue, falling into one of two extremes: “God says it’s bad” or “It’s a woman’s body and she can do with it wat she wants”. Tossed into the mix are the “killing babies” and “it’s not alive, human, whatever”. In one of his classics, The Master has made the point that the genetic nature of the embryo makes it human.
“The form of existence that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic substances and dead organisms, characterized by metabolism, growth, reproduction, irritability, etc.” This seems to be a viable definition of “life” and, with the exception of reproduction, the fetus certainly displays all of these traits.
We may or may not agree that life begins at conception and that abortion ends that life, but that is not to say that all abortion is wrong. I don’t have a problem with accepting abortion or calling it what it is: the willful killing of another human being. I believe there should be some restrictions and guidelines. I also believe that it should never be taxpayer funded.
A girl sixteen years old is not mature enough to choose the age of her sexual partners, if any of them are over eighteen. Yet she is allowed, it is even judged her “right” to have an abortion without parental knowledge. When I challenged this position, I was told that the consent laws were outmoded and that the statutory laws protected children from predators. That seemed sort of contradictory to me but I let it go.
It is my nature to seek reasoned answers to questions and I have found plenty to mull over here. Wish I’d found this place years ago.
Thanks to everyone for their replies.
3cushion
All male mammals, except humans, get the right to [del]rape[/del] have sex with any female when she is in heat. You want to extend that absolute right to human males too?
I believe they have the right to desire sex, not the right to have sex, when the female desires to be mated with. Do you want to deny them the right to desire sex?
Not an accurate statement. In most cases it is the female that chooses based on the male’s ability to dominate other males in some way, i.e. strength, territory, etc. Females are non-responsive to less than dominant males. That’s why there are mating rituals. That’s why the males are usually more distinctive in some way, size, coloring, etc. In general terms, it is the female that decides with whom she will propogate the species.
Regarding the concept of a “right” to have sex…I don’t consider that a “right” at all, even for humans, and do not accept that animals, other than man, have “rights” as such. We have obligations to the animals, but they do not have any more “rights” than my television. And that is probably for another thread.
This is SOP in today’s human males as well. Drive off competition, try to kill (read separate) the woman from her offspring of other males, this gives the woman a sense of loss and longing that the man fills in her life, which bonds her to him.
This way the male doesn’t need all those pesky emotions.
I know I do this whenever it comes up, but I consider it fighting misinformation. There are, in fact, people who describe themselves as pro-abortion. They tend to be on the very extreme of the very extreme left. Their reasoning is that if abortion is okay, then it’s just okay, full stop, and all the hang-wringing is only giving the pro-life people more ammunition. As tends to happen in any kind of group, I suspect the right seizes on their presence as outliers and uses it to justify their belief that all pro-choice people just love abortion.