We accept that people fuck up from time to time (to err is human), and they should be given the opportunity to fix things they way they think is best.
For some people, abortion is their best option. For some people, it isn’t. Having the choice available in your bolded section means that people can deal with the consequences of their mistakes in a manner acceptable to them, and in a safe way.
So, yay choice is what I’m getting at here.
It contains human lif just as the sperm does, but it is not yet a human being as it is not yet functioning as a full human being. And why not work hard to see that conception can be prevented. Or the very least…how many of the born children are you sacrificing to support? Are you living on the basic necessities so all the born children can have a healthy and good life, or do you just talk the talk so others can make a life time sacrifice, because you believe a few cells are already a human being.
Would you pay the same price for a horse’s embryo as you would for a full grown horse? Biologically it is the same.
There is sepration of state and religion, in this country so the law isn’t based on one’s religion. No one can force a woman to abort or take the morning after pill. But a woman who cannot at the time nor want a child at the time should not have to bear children all her childbearing years. Is it better to have 5 children and see them slowly starve to death as in some 3d world countries, or don’t their lives matter to you? One can’t call it moral in one country and think it okay in others!!
Are you saying a man doesn’t pass on human life then? If so then it cannot be a human life! Life began eons ago and is passed on through the parents. That is a fact!
What a strange analogy. If the person you’re holding the gun on get’s “lucky” do you mean s/he doesn’t get shot? Has the person taken any precautions from getting shot? Is s/he a willing participant? Does he have any reason to be in the position s/he is in? If you’re not intending to shoot the person than why are you holding a loaded gun to his/her head? Do you get off on that sort of thing?
I’m having trouble relating this to sexual intercourse and unintended pregnancy. If the consequences in your analogy are that you avoid unintended pregnancy, then I suppose you will.
You don’t think discovering you’re pregnant and having to deal with an abortion is a consequence? It is.
As you stated earlier…the sperm isn’t human, so that would mean the egg wasn’t human, so the product of the union wouldn’t be human either!!
What:confused: Nooooooooooooo…I’m saying a sperm is not human.
Nice try but I didn’t create those kids and that’s not what we’re talking about here.
You analogies ae so ridiculous BTW.
Oh my goodness:smack: The sperm together with the egg is needed to create a human. The sperm alone and the egg alone are not human…:smack:
I believe whan a person is declared Brain dead it is then declared to be dead, and the undertaker is called in. At that point one can say it is a corpse. o(nce it cannot be brought back to life)!
Then neither is a Fertile egg!
I suggest you take a course in Biology!
They contain the human life, just as much as a fertile egg, The life of the sperm and egg contain human life when you look at the cells dividing in a petri dish you cannot say oh what a cute little human! Think about what you are saying!! It is a proven fact that human life is passed on through it’s parents and untill it is fully human it is not ‘a’ human being!!!
The argument is called pro-life and pro-choice because of when LIFE BEGINS!!!
Monavis, if anyone needs to study biology here, I’d say it’s you. Egg and sperm cells are not individually human life because, being haploid cells, they each lack the requisite number of choromosones for human life (Forty-six, to remind you). Human sperm cells have only twenty-three chromosones. Human ova cells have twenty-three.
23 + 23 = 46
And that’s how it works – when the egg is fertilized by the sperm the resulting organism has DNA unique to itself, not identical to either father or mother, and has a full complement of 46 chromosones.
And I suspect you knew that, and you knew that classylady didn’t know that, so you advanced the argument. Am I right?
By the way, that leads to me to recall the old biology joke, “What does the ‘H’ in ‘Jesus H Christ’ stand for?” Answer: haploid.
Except I can’t consider someone who has taken precautions to avoid pregnancy and has engaged in consensual sexual intercourse as “fucking up” whether the intercourse results in unintended pregnancy or not.
But your point does stand for those who played russian roulette with pregnancy by engaging in unprotected intercourse.
No, the lack of intent to conceive does not support the right to abortion. That is simply a reality that must be dealt with. What does support the right to abortion access is bodily autonomy.
As has already been pointed out, having to make a choice as to what to do about an unintended pregnancy is a consequence in engaging in risky behavior, whether that choice is carry to term or abort. That the risk was realized and the choice was to abort doesn’t mean the woman did not accept/deal with the consequences.
I also think its interesting that you deem taking reasonable precautions to avoid pregnancy to be risky behavior.
Again, all reasonable ideals and ones I won’t disagree with. Not exactly reality as it now exists at this place and time. Imagine yourself today as a pregnant 15-year-old girl in South Dakota. Do you have ample access to counseling and medical aid before and after the procedure? What is hindering your access? How much practical sexual education did you receive before you found yourself pregnant?
Unlike you I don’t live on this message board so give me some time.
Really? Are you not shocked when someone T-bones your car in an intersection? Why wouldn’t you be expecting that? The odds of being in a car accident are quite good? Probably better than getting a woman pregnant who is taking the pill. Even better, if she were older and has been using BC for many years.
Knowing full well that my BC method is not guaranteed 100% (which one is), I’d still be surprised to find myself pregnant, considering the odds are quite low. Why that should preclude me from availing myself of an abortion, if I didn’t want the pregnancy I acted reasonably to avoid, I have no idea.
Yeah, 755 posts since 4-30-11, an average of ~30 posts per day. I can see your argument is well substantiated.
That’s amusing considering **villa **has 37 posts in this thread to your 460+ posts.