It’s not assaulting you in any way to simply disagree with you and express why. If people are being insulting that’s another issue. What some folks want you to understand, relevant to the OP, is that protesters who try to impose their personal beliefs on others are guilty of a kind of assault. The same goes for those trying to force laws through to take away some individuals freedom to choose for themselves. Since this last election there’s a lot of that going on.
You certainly have a right to your own opinion, but that doesn’t make it automatically morally superior or correct.
Do not even attempt to psychoanalyze me. You are not qualified to do that. Do not pretend that you are privy to my mindset. Do not quote me when referring to some ridiculous study associating abortion with cancer as I do not believe that:smack:
This attitude you have is typical of pro-choice people who attack the person rather than the argument.
Do you know what the lawsuit was about? I amazed at what people will believe and spread while saying they value the truth. I can respect people who are willing to step up and offer real world assistance as an alternative to abortion. Help support a a pregnant woman in dire straits, or help adoptions, or whatever, but pratical real world help and alternatives rather than just moral judgement.
It’s easy to give lip service to life being sacred. I remember seeing a report on Fox about some woman who had 5 or 6 kids and how bad off the kids were. The questions was raised, “where are the authorities who should be protecting the kids” My question was , “where are the pro lifers who think life is sacred and want hundreds of thousands more to be born?” I saw a Cops show the other night and some woman with 6 kids was talking about handing her kids off to this person or that person. It sure looked like her kids and the well fare associated with them were being traded like commodities.
If life is sacred, then please do something about that and make sure the kids being born into this society are being cared for rather than self righteously insisting on more without doing anything to insure for their real world care.
Another argument typical of the pro-choicers. I am not surprised. I am not the one who got pregnant and chose to kill her baby. I am under no obligation to adopt a child either. I am not the one who chose to use abortion as a form of birth control.
Also no one is forcing anyone to read my comments. I understand that you pro-choicers take offense to 99.9% of my opinions yet you continue to read them.
I know you didn’t and acknowledge that. The subject of this particular thread is people trying to impose their moral standard on others and you participated voluntarily right.
Do you think anybody in this thread or any pro lifer approves of the murder of innocent children? They don’t. It’s a fact that zygotes and embryos are not innocent children. That’s pretty much been the consensus throughout human history, even when we didn’t have science proving that was true.
It’s great that you believe life is sacred. Sincerely. There are plenty of innocent children out there in need.
Hey, if you don’t want to have an abortion, don’t have one. Makes no difference to me. But don’t tell anyone else not to have one. You don’t know their circumstances.
I’m pro-choice…but that doesn’t mean that I think that people can be obnoxious and hateful in public. Most clinics that perform abortions also provide other services.
I’ve been a clinic escort. I’ve had picketers telling me that I’m a slut, a whore, a godless heathen, a bitch, and other choice names. Most of the women that I escorted seemed to feel that they needed to tell me why they were going in for an abortion. Sometimes it was “the father ran off”. Sometimes it was health reasons, on her part. Sometimes, heartbreakingly, the woman and the man wanted a child, very much, but the embryo/fetus had something wrong, or had died already. And sometimes the woman was being pressured into having an abortion, in which case the clinic staff and I helped her find resources in order to keep the pregnancy. Yes, that’s right, the STAFF helped a woman not have an abortion. Can’t get much more pro-choice than that.
Please explain how a fetus that is living off the blood and body substance of an unwilling woman is innocent? If I need a transfusion, even if I means I will die if I don’t get it, I can’t compel someone else to give me their blood. Your moral code seems to give fetuses rights we don’t extend to actually born people.
A summary of the lawsuit against Randy Alcorn is here.
Basically, he thinks all pregnant woman should carry to term and only Christian coupiles should be allow to adopt. All pro-lifers are peaceful people. All judges, politicians, doctors and media people are pro-abortion and use their forces to push unwanted abortions on the public. Most people do not support abortion. Pro-lifers are peaceful people, subject to the violence of pro-abortion folks. All woman (and the people who got them pregnant) will suffer phsyical, emtional, psychological and spiritual damage fromm their abortions, but adoption is some kind of mythical la-la land where everything ends up wonderful.
I wish all women considering abortion would have the baby and let it be adoptetd by a gay or lesiban couple. That would certainly put a spoke in the wheels of most anti-abortion people.
Careful. Your posts are edging into the not very classy range. You’re imposing your moral judgement on others by your choice of words.
Nobody is under any obligation to do anything for any other human being. I’m only pointing out that those who like to make claims about life being sacred and caring for children have ample opportunity to do so already. There’s a lot of need out there.
IMO, those who protest or actively campaign to take choice away from women do have a moral obligation to offer some viable alternative and to offer care to the children they insist be born. Is it a moral choice to allow children to go hungry and without health care? We will never do away with abortion, but having more alternatives may actually reduce the number preformed.
btw; You’re posting on a public forum. Of course people will read them. Don’t be silly.
You’re being ridiculous do you know that? Since when do beliefs have to be based on facts? Theists believe in God but they don’t have any facts to back that up do they. I have not once stated what religion I am and I don’t intend to so stop pretending you know what religion I am because ya don’t…
Your own personal beliefs don’t have to be based on facts, but the law sure as shit should be.
Most pro-choicers are fine with other people being pro-life for themselves - ie. if you feel like you could never personally have an abortion, then you shouldn’t have one. And support systems should be in place to help women who *don’t *want to have an abortion. Support systems like oh, let’s say, Planned Parenthood.
Of course you are allowed to have your own beliefs. But that’s not enough for you, is it? You want your personal moral beliefs reflected in the law of the land. Why else would you support the idea of picketing around PP, ensuring other people know that you considered them wicked and murderous? You don’t want other people to be able to make their own moral choices, you want everyone to just magically realize that your morality is the correct one.
the contradictions are stunning aren’t they. Outlaw abortions and reduce welfare and healthcare to the poor {which means the most children from those outlawed abortions} and then deny gay couples the right to marry or adopt so those children in need have even fewer options.
I’d like to thank a couple of the posters here for a) volunteering to escort women, and b) making me (and, likely, others) aware that such a volunteer position even exists.