No it doesn’t. It makes me look smart and thanks for the personal insult!!!
Perhaps those women should not have sex if they are not ready to deal with the consequences. It’s not ok for the baby to pay for it’s mother’s mistakes.
Many people consider a women to choosing to give birth to unwanted, never wanted baby then demanding 18 years of garnishing a man’s paycheck (money that could be the difference between completing an education, staring a business, or the life or death of his other family members) the absolute height of heartbreaking selfishness and cruelty.
I never said I object to birth control. You’re putting words in my mouth.
If only there were a clinic that provided free birth control that a young, newly sexually active person could go to without being called a baby murderer…
Oh frick off.
I gave birth about two weeks ago. The damage to my body includes stretch marks, weight gain, aching and leaky breasts, stitches in places I don’t care to think about and feet that look like baseballs. My blood pressure climbed so high during labor they were worried I’d go into convulsions.
Considering the very real risks posed by pregnancy and birthing you and santimonious ilk should be on your hands on and knees in gratitude that a woman dares go through with a pregnancy. Take your ludicrous outrage over rational reproductive choices and go away.
Well, that about sums it up, doesn’t it? If we can’t agree on when a human becomes a human, we’re not going to agree about when abortion becomes murder. Day 0? Day 90? Somewhere in between?
It’s a byzantinely complex issue. Roe v. Wade says “viability”, but soon we’ll be able to “grow” babies from eggs, so what does that mean? Heartbeat? Brain waves? Pain sensation? High school graduation?
Seems to me, if you have to draw a line, there’s only one line to be drawn – conception. Any other “line” is fictive.
But until debaters agree when human life becomes human life, further debate is not productive.
Getting an abortion IS dealing with the consequences.
I actually think it’s to choose to oppress people who have sex out of wedlock, not women. The idea is that anyone who has sex should have to worry about having a baby and having to take care of it.
It isn’t just anti-women, because they expect the father to marry the pregnant mom.
Exactly. Seems to you. And from “seems to you” you are calling an entire other group, for whom it “seems” that the reasonable line is different, murderers.
An abortion is dealing with the consequences responsibility. Giving birth frequently is not. It’s creating one more burden that the world does not need. As long as the “baby” is inside the mother’s body (technically guilty of cannibalism and unlawful trespass, so it’s not innocent), she has the right to have it removed like any other parasite growth.
I didn’t say you were stupid. I said your comment made you look stupid.
You already thanked me, though, so I guess I should follow through: you’re stupid.
What’s the point of “further debate” when your position is “life begins at conception and that’s the end of it”?
Garbage. That is a point picked only for the purpose of excusing the oppression of women. It is completely inconsistent with the definition of legal personhood we use everywhere else. Do you oppose organ donations? Do you oppose people scratching themselves? Those skin cells are just as alive as any fetus. So is a tumor.
Brilliant post. I believe it’s a baby from conception not a group of cells and therefore a human being who has the right to life.
:dubious: Regardless of whether or not it’s a baby, it’s still a group of cells.
A skin cell is never going to become a baby:smack:
Irrelevant. And incorrect, given cloning.
Oh but so are fully grown humans.
At the present time you actually know of a human created from a single skin cell?
Both of you need lessons in biology. Conception does NOT equal baby. Many fertilized eggs cannot become babies. Believe me, after several chemical pregnancies and slightly later miscarriages I know this from bitter experience.
Human reproduction is far more complex than the simplistic pieties allowed for by the anti-abortionists.