I am not a they I am a she. Why the hell are you calling me a they?
Why is how I found this board relevant? I found this board the way many other people how found this board. By using the internet:smack:Yes I have posted in other threads. You can see that under my statistics.
classyladyhp, I’ll try this. You believe abortion should be illegal. OK, assume you are queen and make the laws and decree the punishments for breaking the law. What would you do to a woman who has an abortion? What about the person who helped perform the operation? Would you have any mercy for them?
If abortion is made illegal then I would do the same thing that is done to others who break they law:smack:
People give blood and donate organs out of the goodness of their own hearts. They are under no obligation to do so. The people who donate blood are not the ones who caused the people they are donating blood to need it. Same thing for organs.
A woman gets pregnant as a consequence of her actions.
classyladyhp, I never assume gender based on username. That’s why I used, or tried to, a gender-neutral term. My username is neutral, and a lot of people have called me “dude”.
So, don’t get in a snit because I didn’t call you “she”.
And I asked what punishment YOU would decree for abortion, if YOU made it illegal.
I’m beginning to think you are acting like a troll, not the righteous person you make yourself out to be.
Originally Posted by vivalostwages
It doesn’t bother me. It is just too simple and doesn’t take everything into consideration: the mother’s health status, the fetus’s condition, the circumstances of its conception, etc.
Having a DNR and Advance Directive in one’s files (as I do, just as my folks did) allows a medical professional or possibly a family member to “pull the plug,” so to speak, if the patient so chose to have this done. Is that murder? Is it “adult killing”? Some say so, but the law allows for it. It allows for abortion too.
I assume you are speaking of a living will. The person who requests to have the plug pulled if they go into a coma etc is doing that because they don’t want to be kept alive in that condition. Does the fetus tell it’s mother it’s ok to kill it?
Heck, for the sake of argument I’ll even agree - abortion is baby-killing. Now convince me abortion should be illegal, assuming you believe that.
Since murder is killing an innocent person and since I believe abortion kills an innocent person then it should be illegal.
Tell me how the law will be enforced, what the penalty should be, what you think the consequences will be.
The same way the law against murdering is enforced.
Warn me what will happen if abortion continues as is in the U.S., or if restrictions are loosened. Tell what will happen if the million or so aborted fetuses per year in the U.S. are instead delivered and adopted out, then tell me what happens the following year when a million fetuses are delivered and not adopted out, because the demand for adoption was largely satisfied.
What the fuck is this, junior high abortion debate? What next, the old “You just killed Beethoven?” question. Fuck yeah I’d kill Beethoven. You anti-choice assholes never seem to worry about the Marie Curies, Anna Pavlovas, Emma Goldmans, and Elizabeth 1’s who never got a chance to develop their talents because they died due to pregnancy itself, were exhausted by too many pregnancies, or just one unintended pregnancy ruined their lives to the point where all they could do was survive. You seem to think women have no potential, no use at all, because the idea that women can do anything but have babies apparently never occurs to any anti-choicer.
Then you could have said he/she. Just because I don’t agree with pro-choicers does not make me a troll. How do I know you’re not a troll trying to get a rise out of me:dubious:
If you had looked at my other posts you would know that I was a woman. Don’t try and pretend you didn’t know.
If abortion was made illegal because it is considered to be murder then I guess they would have to face the same penalties as murderers.
That ranges, I understand, from a $5 file to Death Row. Where on this rather broad spectrum do you think abortion sits?
If you prefer not to choose, what if abortion was made 100% illegal under all circumstances, but it was a misdemeanor with the penalty permanently set at a $5 fine? Acceptable? If not, why not?
I’d like to save both but if I had to choose it would be the girl. The embryos could potentially get destroyed/thawed out when the freezer is unplugged:D
Folks, I’ve emailed Miller to ask for this thread to be closed. It’s at his discretion of course, but fingers crossed and all. Seems like a waste of space now really.
I don’t understand why anti-abortion people keep missing out on key points of the issue over and over again. It’s taking countless pages before classylady even mentioned that there may be a difference between human cells, human tissue and a person. And you just now are admitting a glitch in your processing.
I already posted a link to this thread that addresses this very issue. Fetuses are developmentally incapable of thoughts, feelings, desires, feeling pain or suffering. At least until the third trimester. That’s a conservative estimate. You need a cerebral cortex to even process signals in the nervous system. That doesn’t even start to develop until late second trimester. Several people have mentioned this over and over again.
You people are expecting a woman to give up a very fundamental right, to control her own body, to save what is reasonable to call a non-person. Even more, you are giving an embryo or fetus privileges that you wouldn’t even give a baby. Several people have already discussed that people cannot be forced to give bodily substances to any person even, even a relative. Therefore, the unborn is given sacred, superhuman status. Why?
Except that pregnancy is not necessarily an intended result of her actions, and in some cases, not even a result of *her *actions, but those of someone else. Are you seriously suggesting that no person who does not intend to become a parent should have sexual intercourse…ever?
