You are a troll. How utterly juvenile.
I am sorry for whatever loss you suffered.
Both my pregnancies were dangerous for me- seriously dangerous. My second pregnancy we had a huge scare that our child had serious genetic defects and it took weeks before the results indicating everything was fine came back. We had plans thought out for every contingency- what we’d do if it was Down Syndrome, what we do if it was cystic fibrosis, what we’d do if it was indeterminate genetic abnormalities. Each was a possibility. And who knows what we would really decide if the results were bad.
With up most gratitude everything was fine and I had my beautiful daughter, who next week will have her Bat Mitzvah and I love her so much.
My experience made me even more pro-choice. How could I dictate to anyone else what to do, what to choose, how to live with themselves? My reactions to being pro-choice come out of my life experiences as well. So when I get called a lunatic, or a baby killer, or a multitude of hateful epithets it hurts because I know the pain in my heart.
Because I’ve held the hand of young college students who got pregnant due to a lack of good sex ed or the pressure of a boyfriend, or failed birth control, or rape and seen the unmitigated pain in her eyes as she has struggled with what to do. I’ve had to contemplate aborting my fetus (who was my little girl in my mind). It is NEVER a cavalier, flippant decision, casually made. To imply otherwise is more hateful than anything you can every say.
Disagree, believe I’m wrong, follow your own heart. But don’t ever think you have a monopoly on love, compassion and the sanctity of life. That is the epitome of hubris.
Please refrain from calling **classyladyhp **a cunt. That’s against the rules.
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Midol makes my heart pound. Somebody send me some chocolate instead!
Ummm, lol. Who are YOU kidding? Kacey Jordan would like a word with you.
Right. Because, you know, pointing out that I didn’t say what you said I said (and even said something to opposite) is playing a word game. Uh-huh… Right.
Or, you know, not.
Show me where I argued the meaning of choice. I want page number and post number. Like, nao, please.
Okay, so if murder isn’t a matter of personal opinion, but rather the law, and the law says that murder is always wrong, then there is such a thing as an absolute moral wrong.
Who are you kidding? Do you want me to start picking out quotes in this thread where pro-choicers make the sole consideration the woman, or some right to bodily integrity/right to bodily autonomy? Because I can find at least twenty examples of this. If a pro-choicer supports the choice of no abortion, it’s because the woman has decided that being pregnant doesn’t violate her right to bodily autonomy/right to bodily integrity. Please tell me how this isn’t true.
Yeah, no. Would you like to actually read what I bother to type out, instead of your interpretation of it?
This is nowhere even close to true.
And from that precisely being something I didn’t say nor type out, way to ignore what I actually typed.
Yeah… No. If, as you assert, viability is “important”, then as medical technology advances and pushes the limit of viability earlier in the pregnancy, then you’d agree that the limits on abortion also must be pushed earlier into pregnancy to match those of viability, which you deem as “important”. But there’s a damn good chance that you’d be thoroughly unwilling to argue as much, meaning viability is thoroughly irrelevant to any kind of argument you’re trying to make. Now feel free to ignore this at your discretion.
So you believe people can choose to do wrong, which is what I said, and have it rationalized based on the fact that they chose to do so? I mean, really… If you’re not going to read the quote you quoted, then don’t bother responding. Again, for people who like to scream “straw man!” at every corner, you guys and gals sure do love to engage in them.
It’s neither ignorant nor is it wrong. I made this point to Zeriel and (s)he ignored it. Let’s see what happens with you.
The problem here is that you’re incorrectly using the “pro-” label to mean something completely different when as compared to every other non-abortion instance it’s used. Why? I have no idea, though I can surmise probably because abortion is a dirty word, and you’d rather have to hide behind euphemisms to make yourself feel better about yourself. But that’s just a total guess 
No. See above.
Yes, because asking Bryan if he would tell an a woman she can’t have an abortion for any reason is irrelevant and/or assuming my personal opinion on the matter correct.
…Oh wait, no it’s not.
You ignore my posts not because they’re irrelevant, but because you can provide no justification of your position. It’s pretty hard to defend the indefensible. It’s really that simple. I, for example, find a lot of you guys posts to bring up irrelevant points, but I respond to them all the same. It’s funny to me to see the same people claim that classy is avoiding their questions, avoid answering my question like they have the Bubonic plague and ebola wrapped up into one. Irony at its finest.
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I’m impressed that, by her own admission, a porn star has only had 4 abortions in her life.
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She’s a porn star. A casual attitude towards moral life choices that the vast majority of people struggle with pretty much defines her character.
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Your being unable to deal with a thoughtful, well put post only demonstrates your lack of intellectual integrity.
1.) Five.
2.) That’s a… Pretty untrue characterization about porn stars in general.
3.) I can deal with such a post just fine. Though if people want to start throwing out the (highly untrue) line about abortion never being an easy, cavalier decision for women, then it’s about at that point where their post shouldn’t be taken seriously, as many individuals can tell you of people who have two, three, four and even five abortions without batting an eye. And, funnily enough, they’re not just “pro-life horror stories”. They actually happen. Like every day.
I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, are you honestly engaging at this point or still dismissing thoughtful posts with gibberish?
Except-- get this-- it’s not gibberish. Again, anyone who claims that abortion isn’t a decision that women take cavalierly (sp?) is living in a world entirely of their own fashioning. It’s simply not true, and anyone who would take, like, a minute to either search the internet or talk to people would know it’s not true.
I could probably dig up a pro-lifer who did say they wanted to control women and didn’t care about issues of the right of the fetus.
Would you want your position defined by the most extreme element you can find?
ETA: My post was filled with specific life experiences that lead me to my position. Call me a liar if you must, but I know what I have experienced and who I have counseled. You are simply wrong.
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Everything I can find says that her recent abortion was abortion #4.
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I’d be willing to admit that you likely know more female porn stars than me, since I know zero. However, I do know that every other woman I’ve met would not be willing to have sex on camera for general distribution. Seems a logical conclusion to me that, on the topic of whether or not to have sex on camera for money, porn stars have a more casual attitude towards this life choice than most women. Is there some part of this that I am extrapolating wrong?
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So, because IvoryTowerDenizen used some hyperbole, the entire post should be laughably dismissed? Interesting.
ETA: for number 3, I get the whole idea that ITD was drawing from her personal data set. I just want to know the rules of the discussion here
Because you want to speak in absolutes, which isn’t true at all.
You know, my kids do this when we argue. They find some minuscule point to latch onto that has some element of error and focus on that to divert and control the conversation. But they’re teenagers, so I give them some slack.
Fact remains that I have more respect for pro-life women, women in general I think, to be honorable and responsible than you do for pro-choice women. You hide your contempt poorly.
No, that’s old. She had another one.
So if you’re willing to have sex for money, you must be pro-choice? Isn’t that like saying that if you have sex for money, that you must be dumb because you can’t get a real job? There’s no correlation between the two. Hell, I ain’t gonna’ lie. If someone were going to pay me, I’d have sex on camera for money 
Well, no. If you were going to do that, it’d be better to do so on the basis that it’s basically a big appeal to emotion.
I was responding to Classylady’s post about her own experience driving her position by showing that we have that in common. It was no appeal for anything but to show that one can experience tragedy in pregnancy and come to a prochoice conclusion.
Thank you. I’m happy that everything turned out ok with your daughter:)
Thank you.