Abortion coverage should not be holding up the healthcare bill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chile_coup

It’s pretty much undeniable there was a connection between Allende and the Soviets and Cubans and Allende wanted more power.

America in it’s 233 years of history has far less blood on it’s hand than virtually any other superpower or great power. The British Empire, Russians/Soviets, Chinese, all have killed directly and indirectly far more people.

America has recognized it’s mistakes and has apologized to many of these involvements in Latin America and in many cases played a role in overthrowing Latin American dictators.

Assuming that’s true, so what? Do all the people tortured and murdered by Pinochet with the help of America in his place not count?

Oh, really. I see no reason to believe that, nor does it matter much. You sound like someone who responds to an accusation of murder by pointing at someone else and saying, “Well, he’s a murderer AND an arsonist!”:

Since when has America “recognized its mistakes”? Or apologized? Or bothered to overthrow dictators without replacing them with someone as bad or worse?

We are STILL doing what we have always done; Iraq being a case in point. We slaughter and conquer and devastate other nations, and are so arrogant that we take offense that they aren’t grateful for it.

Take the war debate into a new thread. It does not belong in this one.

Not all Planned Parenthood clinics work the same way when it comes to offering reduced rates, and not all of them provide abortion services (though I’m pretty sure all will point women in the direction of their nearest provider, even if it is a state away).

It’s pretty evident that all barring access to abortion does, either legally or through hoops like waiting periods and high prices, is increase rates of medical complications from DIY methods and untrained practitioners and keep women (and their children – most people seeking abortions already have one or more children) in a cycle of poverty. What it doesn’t do is decrease abortion rates.

So to ban a safe, legal procedure that over a million American women have done every year on some moral basis (that does not apparently apply to funding wars, bail outs or Viagra) is somewhat flawed.

Re. being able to afford the cost of an abortion. Here’s an interesting report from the Guttmacher Institute about the high rate of uninsured women of reproductive age (and the strain they’re putting on family planning centers, especially those who have lost their jobs and insurance).

Because your opinions do not change the fact that abortion is a legal medical procedure. Do you really want to go down the road where people can object to their fellow countrymen’s medical procedures on the basis that they think it makes God angry? Keep in mind there are large groups of people who are against vaccines and medical treatment in general for religious reasons. Why should your religious worries outweigh theirs?

And let’s cut the dramatics. Unless you yourself become pregnant and have an abortion, there’s no “blood on your hands,” in the way you use that expression.

The discussion is not about objecting to a procedure. It’s whether or not taxpayer money should be used for the procedure. The Hyde ammendment says no so what’s the problem with the Stupak ammendment?

Good point. Why should Jehovah’s Witnesses have to help pay for blood transfusions? Why should anti-vaccers’ tax dollars help fund not just vaccinations themselves, but the research that develops them?

Pleeeeeeesssseeee do NOT get him started on this!

What I am saying is that we have averted a worse dictator by overthrowing Allende.

The United States has never intentionally commited genocide nor have they starved millions to death.

Where have you been in the last few months when President Obama went around apologizing numerous times?

Look at Grenada or Panama or South Korea or the many other places where an American intervention has generally been positive.

Lack of vaccinations threaten the public but this does not.

And what reason do you have to think that Pinochet was better?

No genocide? This country was built with genocide. And then there’s slavery. And all the tyrants we propped up and installed.

“Many” being “almost none”. America has been a affliction upon the world.

Half the population is female; forbidding abortion is an assault upon them.

Curtis LeMay and Der Trihs, take your binary discussion of U.S. politics, particularly in foreign affairs, out of this thread.

We don’t need the hijack.

[ /Moderating ]