? about a government building in Ottawa, Canada

Mrs. Mercotan and I were strolling thru Ottawa the other week, admiring the nice governmental buildings. We ambled east past the library of Canada, and wandered over to see the Supreme Court building. Then we decided to head east from the Supreme court over to Parliament hill.

But as we walked east, away from the Supreme court, the first building we noted was a large, rectangular white wooden building, two stories, in terrible disrepair, with paint peeling all over the thing. There seemed to be no real activity going on there, but it didn’t seem to be quite abandoned. It’s just east of Kent street and north of Vittoria street.

We were curious as to what the building was, and why they couldn’t give it a nice coat of paint, sitting as it did amidst other big time tourist attractions.

We couldn’t find out the answer locally (didn’t try that hard) but would like to know more. Any enlightenment, dopers?

A picture would really help! I’ve been past there a few times but can’t quite picture a building like you’re describing.

Well, it’s the only building on the north side of Vittoria street in Ottawa. You can get there via maps.google.com, and get a satellite view of the roof.

I’ve got a picture from a distance of the building, if I can find a place to post it I will.

Is it visible in any of these photos?

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http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:55cqmjJBDW8J:www.bytown.net/parliam.htm+vittoria+kent+ottawa+buildings&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2
Is this it?(scroll down) Looks too nice.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:55cqmjJBDW8J:www.bytown.net/parliam.htm+vittoria+kent+ottawa+buildings&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2
Is this it?(scroll down) Looks too nice.

Cunctator, yes it’s visible in all those pictures. Three stories, not two. My bad. Rectangular, white, black roof.

samclem, yes that’s a picture of it near the bottom of that link.

Sure looks more run-down now.

Thanks, guys. I wonder what it’s used for and why they’ve let it get down at the heels like it is now.

If it’s WWII vintage it may have some sort of heritage/historical preservation order attached to it. Based on Australian experience this generally results in long-winded discussion about what to do with the building once it’s outlived its original use. As a result, while various authorities and experts bicker, the building itself suffers from a lack of maintenance.

That makes sense.

Well, it really doesn’t make sense, but since I work for the government my own self, I understand it perfectly.

Cunctator’s got it. Impressive, from half a globe away. Obviously, governments and heritage properties are much of a muchness all over the Commonwealth!

The federal government began work on the new Supreme Court building in 1937 (I think that was the year - the year of King George and Queen Elizabeth’s royal tour.) The Court had been trying to get its own building for decades, having been housed for many years in the former stables of Parliament. (I kid you not.) Queen Elizabeth laid the corner stone for the new Court building, and work started.

Then WWII started in 1939, and the federal government announced that the new SCC building was needed for the war effort. It took over the building for military purposes. As part of that military purpose, it built the white frame building that the Mercotans saw. If I recall correctly, it was a pre-fab, military issue building that was not expected to last for more than the duration of the war, ± five years or so. However, they built better than they knew… plus, with government inertia, when something is in existence and being used, it always takes a positive capital allocation to tear it down and replace it, whereas small ongoing maintenace costs are much easier to cover, so old stock tends to hang around long past their “best before” dates.

Fast forward to the late 80s, when I was working in Ottawa. At that time, it served as the Registry for the Federal Court, which used a couple of the courtrooms in the Supreme Court building. The gossip I heard was that under federal law, once a federal building had existed for 50 years, it came under heritage review, potentially becoming much more difficult to get rid of. The clock was ticking, as the thing had been in existence for over 40 years by that time. However, to tear it down would require providing different space for the Federal Court Registry, which would require a capital outlay. The Federal Court had been trying for decades to get its own building, rather than continuing in this cast-off from the Department of Defence (see: Supreme Court, wanting own building, supra).

Last I heard, the Federal Court finally got newer accomodations (but not yet its own building), so the Federal Court Registry is no longer in the old white pre-fab. However, by now the pre-fab is more than 50 years old, and a potential federal heritage site.

So what, you might say? an old military building, then a court registry - how much heritage value can that have? But wait, there’s more! At one stage in the early 70s, before the Federal Court was created, the federal Justice Deparatment used the building as its overflow area. A couple of bright young (well, youngish middle-aged) federal lawyers were toiling away in that building, working on a document dealing with legal rights.

Fast forward a decade, and it turns out that their initial drafts led to a thing called the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. (You may have heard about it.) And the two lawyers, Jean Beetz and Gérard La Forest found other employment in the federal system.

So there actually is a fair bit of heritage packed away in that decripit old building - the problem still is what to do with it, which is why it’s still there.

Cunctator, the building shows best in the last link you posted - the big brownish building with the green-blue roof is the former Justice building (which is why the little white building was an overflow) and the big grey one with brown roof is the SCC. The building Qadgop saw is the long white frame building in the lower left hand corner of the pic, with a light grey roof.

By the way, Cunctator, thanks for the links to the photos - I didn’t even know they were on the SCC website.

Here’s a link to the original “stables” Supreme Court building, now torn down.

Very true I think. When I read the OP it immediately made me think of a very similar building in Wellington in New Zealand. It was known as the Old Government building and had housed New Zealand’s fledgling public service in the early days of the colony. It’s quite a grand building and is supposedly one of the largest wooden buildings anywhere in the world. When I lived in Wellington it had sat empty and unused for quite a while, gradually falling into disrepair through lack of maintenance simply because nobody quite knew what to do with it. And it presented a terrible eyesore because it was right across the road from the Parliament buildings. Thankfully over the past few years it has been fully restored and is now occupied by the Law Faculty of Victoria University.

Very grand! What is it about colonial stables? The former stables of Government House here in Sydney were really over the top (and heavily criticised at the time) and now house the Conservatorium of Music.

And in case you’re interested in seeing what the building of the High Court of Australia in Canberra looks like, here’s a link.

According to David Brinkley in Washington at War, FDR purposefully approved the ugliest design offered to him for temporary office buildings to be erected on and near the Mall in Washington, D.C. He reasoned that no one would want them standing a moment longer than necessary. However, the bureaucracy settled in and Congress was reluctant to provide funding for more attractive/more permanent lodgings, so those “temporary” buildings ended up staying for over 20 years!

Growing up in Arlington, Virginia, I can tell you that those ugly WWII “temporary” buildings were a big part of my memories of a shabby, dirty Washington DC. Not at all what we have today. The only thing uglier growing up to me was Baltimore. Now look at it. :slight_smile:

Well, while they’re waiting, why the Sam Hill can’t they sand and paint it? It looks tacky as all get-out!

BTW, we really did enjoy visiting the cathouse just west of the Centre Block of Parliament. Very cool!

Thanks, dopers!

Hey, I love that place. Glad you found it.

Aren’t the views on Parliament Hill great? :slight_smile:

:: pulls out guidebook ::

Lessee. Eternal flame, statue of Queen Victoria, cathouse, gazebo, Parliamentary Library… Yep. It’s there. They take donations too!

Re: the OP… I don’t remember seeing that building, but after looking at the linked pics and at Google Maps, I realised that that’s because I have never walked north from Wellington Street to Vittoria! I’ve walked along Wellington and remember the Supreme Court across its lawn and all, but I’d never gotten closer. For some reason I assumed that it was Out of Bounds. Learn a new thing every day!

and I didn’t know that little street was named Vittoria - I always thought it was just an alley or something.