What did you hope to achieve by this thread? I sure hope this back and forth nit-pickery fest wasn’t what you had in mind. Your current claims seem to indicate that you don’t think that these events really say anything about the morals ACORN as an organization. So it must have just been an attempt to prove that Diagonese spoke hyperbolically in a thread some 10 months ago and get him to admit it.
Would the following set of responses achieved your goals?
Bricker: Acorn pleads guilty to violating election law. See they sometimes can do wrong, unlike Diogenes claimed.
**Diogenes: ** OK they can make mistakes but that is small potatoes compared to what we were talking about in that thread, and so is largely irrelevant. Still I agree that I was technically wrong although I didn’t know it at the time since the charges hadn’t come out yet.
Bricker: Good, so long as you agree that you misspoke and that like all other organizations ACORN isn’t 100% perfect 100% of the time I’m satisfied. Please close the thread.
So your contention now is that you somehow failed to see that right under the headline was the credit for nation.foxnews.com, and you also failed to see that after the story on yahoo.buzz cuts off mid-word with “The violation was for unlawfully providing compensation fo” it then says “Full story on nation.foxnews.com” and that somehow you got the rest of the text you quoted:
without clicking on the link thru to Fox News?
Did I get that correct? You expect me (and everyone else) to believe that you failed to notice 2 links to Fox News, both highlighted in blue, and that you miraculously discerned the end of a sentence and another 60 or so words, including a typo from the Fox News article, without actually looking at the Fox News site? Is that your contention?
You make it sound like it’s a small thing for Dio to admit he’s wrong. I can kind of understand Bricker’s frustration; sometimes you just want that windmill to come down, and you think maybe this charge is the one to topple it.
You have not shown that the laws the republicans push actually address issues of voter fraud. I know they say that is the reason but when asked to point out the rampant fraud that needs fixing none is to be found.
The election funny business is perpetrated by the republicans:
Oh, hell, Dio, they’re partisan as all get out! They’re fighting for truth, justice, and the American way, and God bless 'em!
“Non-partisan” has become a buzz-word for people who can’t be bothered to make up their minds, and would like to credit themselves with being smarter because of it.
“But you and I, we’ve been through that, and this is not our fate.
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late…”
Whatever gave you that idea? Bricker lives for these sorts of petty “victories”.
Right on the money. Bricker’s looking to score cheap points and a few posters will do anything to not let him have those points, feeding the fire.
Clearly ACORN was wrong. Clearly ACORN’s policy of paying for registrations was a poor one whether they were in violation of the law (a seemingly reasonable one) or not. Of course, the fraud that this leads to isn’t voter fraud. The party that was sinned against ACORN (who wants to pay for fakes?), but that’s their own fault. It’s not like any of those fraudulent registrations were going to turn into actual votes. But that’s not important when you can score cheap points against people like Dio. Big win!
ACORN had 30,000 employees.Some of the subgroups instituted a policy that a person had to sign up 20 people a day. A few employees faked registrations to keep their jobs. To BRICKER that proves the whole organization is corrupt.
I suppose with all the corrupt lawyers, he thinks the ABA should be abolished. With doctors defrauding medicare, they are proving the AMA is deserving to be ended. The Catholic Church covered up priests molesting kids. I guess that proves corruption and the church should be abolished.
Like I said, your spelling gets worse in robot mode. Why do you think that is?
You say the same things over and over again. I would have thought you would find it easier to spell, instead of harder. Maybe you should try cutting and pasting the previous lie.
Don’t try to change the subject. You said something really stupid, that laws against fraud were an onerous burden imposed on the poor by conservatives to prevent them from voting for liberals.
Diogenes is the one calling you a right-wing retard. Go jerk off on him.
Well, I dunno. A bit of a bind, isn’t it? You can pay people to go and canvass for new registrations, but you cannot incentivize for production. Does that mean that their goal of 20 per day was also illegal, that they were legally bound to pay people for their time even if they made no effort at all? Could be viewed that way, couldn’t it?
Maybe Brickeritis is contagious. You really want to resort to picking the most minute nits and debating the meaning of “based upon”? Good luck with that.
I have plenty of people at hand to point out my character flaws, perhaps you could just tell me where I’m wrong? Plus, the quote marks around “based upon” ? Huh?
This is either a strawman or, as I’m guessing from reading more of this thread, you’re trying to jab at Dio. Who is, for all intents and purposes, a walking strawman, because his positions on certain things are so ridiculous and exagerrated that no reasonable human being could possibly hold them.
So. Nobody* thinks that ACORN is a perfect organization composed of beings of pure light and powdered sugar. The debate around ACORN has been about serious allegations such as registration fraud, supporting prostitution, etc. And along you come with a news story that is (a) completely inaccurately and misleadingly stated and (b) irrelevant to any of the previous serious accusations leveled against the organization. They broke a law that is in place in this particular state; their actions wouldn’t have even been illegal if they’d been in some other places in the U.S.
*Where “anybody” is understood to mean “any reasonably intelligent person who isn’t mulishly stubborn to the extent of rejecting all concrete evidence that disagrees with the worldview they’ve established.”
I was going to congratulate you on an excellent parody post, and then I realized you were serious. Hah! Poe’s Law strikes again.
You posted a misleading story about a single violation of a law that isn’t universal to all states in the U.S. If you weren’t intended to legitimate the other accusations, how is this possibly relevant?
Frother: “John Doe is a rapist murderer!”
Defender: “Well, actually, fifty people and the queen of England saw him halfway across the world the day that murder took place. And he’s a trans man, so he can’t ejaculate semen, which was found on the body.”
Shit-stirrer: “Hey, check this out–you can’t say he’s innocent! <Link to an article where John Doe receives a citation for public intoxication for buying a beer in a bar in Texas where they pull that stupid shit>”
Guess who you are in that little dialogue!
As observed, the compensation also incentivizes scrutiny of the registration forms so that people aren’t being compensated for bogus registrations. Also, again, this activity is perfectly legal in other states. So do you think it’s “right” there but “wrong” in Nevada?
Because this is a nonpartisan organization that tends to benefit Democratic candidates more than Republican ones, all the Usual Shitbrains are raping babies and using their blood in Satanic rituals to kill President Obama so they can put Cheney in the White House.
Wheeee, crazy accusations with no basis in fact are fun!
No shit?
Do you read or the news? Like, ever? “Person told [name of reporting organization]” is very, *very *standard phrasing in journalism.
I’ve read five pages to get caught up, and I see that the thread has progressed little further from where I left it last night. I’ve only one comment to add:
Shodan, if you believe this, you’re a moron. If you don’t believe it, you’re propogating a lie simply because it serves your political interests. Neither is a good thing.
You’re wrong because setting a “goal” isn’t illegal, paying people per registration (or paying extra for registrations above a certain number, as ACORN pleaded guilty to) is illegal. If people don’t get paid if they don’t hit the goal of 20, that’s illegal. Saying “hey, we’d like you to get 20, but you’ll get paid the same if you don’t” not illegal. But, once again, this kind of semantic nitpicking is something I would expect from Bricker, not you. You always struck me as a bigger picture guy.
It’s from the statute that ACORN pleaded guilty to violating. " It is unlawful for a person to provide compensation for registering voters that is based upon:
(a) The total number of voters a person registers; or
(b) The total number of voters a person registers in a particular political party."