That is absolutely untrue, although of course the Pit remains available to you to express your opinions. But I didn’t link to a right-wing blog, or even Fox News. The story was from the Washington Post. The raid is real; the allegations are real. You cannot hand-wave it away.
That’s a rather… nice distinction, in the Shakespearean use of the word ‘nice’. Fraud in voter registration is fairly discussed, I believe, under the general rubric of “voter fraud.”
I wouldn’t be surprised if these registrations were the first part of a massive conspiracy to bus people from precinct to precinct on voting day, armed with their fake information, ready to vote and cry foul if they’re prevented because they don’t have ID.
Of course, I’d never offer that observation in GD, because here in GD, “I wouldn’t be surprised…” is not a substitute for an argument. It suffers from the argumentum ad ignoratium fallacy – “We don’t know it, so it might be true.” A person here in GD argues a proposition by submitting positive evidence for it; the burden of proof lies always with the claimant.
I,. Pash… I mean Hamlet, do hereby reject, denounce, and rebuke the actions of Nevada Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
Wouldn’t a national voter ID card with a sliding scale fee make it incredibly easy to disenfranchise poor voters at a national level?
ACORN Statement: Nevada Secretary of State “Stunt” Serves No Useful Purpose
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Watch me…
I, Czarcasm, hereby reject, denounce, and rebuke the actions of those who sought to defraud Navada Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
While I certainly appreciate the Reject And Denounce Club (RADECL, isn’t it called?) it would be ever so heartwarming to see them following their rejecting and denouncing with, “…and I now support the voter ID initiatives, since it’s clear that fraud in registrations exists and this type of fraud can be stopped by requiring voter IDs.”
Does this sort of thread have the desired effect on anyone, anywhere?
Does this mean you are still conflicted on who to vote for?
If I told you the honest answer to that, you wouldn’t believe me, and I’d be further vilified. So I am going to pass.
Fair enough.
No, because the vastly greater is still eligable voters being turned away from polls–and in large enough numbers to sway elections. That’s a far greater miscarraige of justice than a few fraudulent votes slipping through.
Would this be a good time to remind everybody that voter registration shenanigans are not new to Nevada?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/14/nevada.registration/
Your scenario is possible, but it seems less likely than mine. I think if ACORN was intending voter fraud of that sort, they would have made sure the names and addresses were legit. It seems a lot more likely that lazy people working on commission or that anti-Obama people acting on their own made up names than the idea that ACORN intended to have Ocho Cinco vote for Obama in the wrong state.
“Ocho Cinco”?
If it makes any difference, Bricker, I couldn’t possibly lose more respect for you than I already have. So you might as well go ahead and tell us.
So anyway, back to what you said about the one making the claim being responsible for providing evidence, you are making the claim that voter ID laws are necessary. Perhaps you have some evidence of that, maybe some examples of people who have gone to the polls and voted under someone else’s name? Please share with the rest of the class.
Incidentally, before Indiana passed the notorious, discriminatory, reprehensible voter ID act, it had a way of verifying voters. I worked the polls many times, and we had a book of every voter’s signature, scanned from their voter registration form. When anyone came in to vote, they had to sign a form. The poll worker would then compare the signature to the one on file. If they matched, all was cool. If they did not match, further investigation was required, such as the showing of ID. Of course, I never saw signatures not match, because what in the hell is the incentive to go vote under a different name? If you go say you’re somebody else, and sign the form, you’ve just committed a Class C Felony, punishable by up to 8 years in prison. You think people are willing to risk 8 years in prison, for… what, again? One lousy extra vote? It’s not worth it. What do you think of that system? What advantages does showing ID have over it, other than the obvious advantage of disenfranchising a lot of poor people who would likely vote in a way you don’t like?
For a moderator who is suppose to read through the threads you can be pretty selective with this task when you want to. The sentence that followed clearly indicates they have a quota to make or risk termination: ACORN canvassers are paid by the hour. Ex-employees also said they were expected to collect 20 complete forms a shift or risk probation and termination, the investigator said in his affidavit.
This is the tip of the iceberg for ACORN. They are intimately linked to the HUD mortgage problem and the people on this board are turning a blind eye because it makes Democrats look bad.
How so?