advertising in public places - how much too much?

I have three stories to relate, and then some questions for debate or comment -

To get to my place of work (in San Francisco), I can take several modes of transportation; and when I take public transportation, there’s a couple ways I can go, so I tend to see various parts of the systems. One morning last year, when I transferred at one station (one of the busiest) I noticed (noticed is probably wrong, it was more like I was bombarded by it) that every single advertising space (wall boards, panels near elevators, etc.) had been bought by a single company. In addition, there were very large stickers on the floor (about 15’ square) at the bottom and top of the stairwells, and every single stair step (of 80 or so) had a sticker on it, plus I think a few more stickers on the floor on the top level. This was not only in the regional train station (BART), but in the light rail station that serves the city as well. At first glance it seemed as though the stations had been completely remodeled. While some of the stickers peeled off in a few days, it got to be so annoying seeing that every time I went there that I stopped transferring at that station and picked another one.
(I went back today to see it again, and those ads are at least gone).

A week ago, I went to another station I don’t often transfer at and found that there, too, a company had bought up all the wall boards (these are the signs that are on the walls across the tracks that you look at while you’re waiting). Not quite so annoying, although I saw that the advertisement was itself – well, not so much offensive as the sort that makes one wish they hadn’t done it quite that way. It was for an online job-hunting/head-hunting service and portrayed potential employees as coming from trees, gumball machines, fishing holes, slot machines, etc. The people are all little faceless suited copies; what I found depressing is that they’re all men. Of course, I don’t know, maybe the online service refuses to help women find jobs … well, that’s the upsetting ad.

One more story, and then some questions.

A few months ago (or maybe further back than that) there was a deal made with a company who would pay millions of dollars in exchange for hanging a banner on the Golden Gate Bridge. While that was the way the story was usually told, they didn’t exactly want to cover the entire bridge, Cristo-like, with their banner; what they wanted to put up was a banner with their logo replacing the one currently over the toll plaza that says “toll plaza” for a period of time (a week or so). Still, it was the Golden Gate Bridge, and after a great hue and cry from the locals, they put an ad in the Chroniminer (or was it that Examicle?) inviting people to comment on what they’d planned. And the idea was quickly shot down.
So my thoughts on this : How much should we allow corporations to pay for/advertise in public places? There is a great deal of money corporations are willing to spend in hopes of making more money, and the money they spend in this kind of advertising generally goes toward things a great number of people use and often supplement tax monies which pay for these things already. Those who manage the public places would never get this kind of money easily, so maybe it’s a good way to get money from corporations to work for the public, so to speak.

Is this a good way for things to work? Is it the best option for these projects, or should there be another way to do it? Specifically, perhaps we might want to let businesses advertise, but not so obtrusively. What are your thoughts on the above scenarios :

  1. Should we allow the sort of massive doses like the buying of a whole subway stations’ adds, plus extra adds on top of it? Comapanies are always looking to get people’s attention by doing something a little bit extra, so how much should be allowed?

  2. What about advertising that might be considered upsetting, or even in bad taste? Certainly the advertiser has an interest not to engender negative feelings, but should more consideration be put into advertising to public places, as opposed to late-night TV ads?

  3. How should local sentiment and feeling of tarnishing local and/or national treasures play into this? The GGB deal had actually been made before many heard about it, even though there was such a strong reaction against it. Should we set aside “advertising-free” zones or do we regulate it well enough already?

I tend to think we need to limit this more than not (although situation #2 perhaps shouldn’t be mandated by the govt.); however, this is seen as a way to keep many public systems viable. As it is, the golden gate bridge isn’t getting much more than a new paint job.
panama jack


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As disgusting as it is, companies should be able to spend money as they please. If they want to buy all the ad space at a sub station, that’s what it’s there for. As for the stickers on the floor, why not? They should be responsible for paying for the clean up, but that’s a call for the station owner to make.
Again, for disgusting, tasteless advertising - the company is ultimately responsible, and this is America, after all. If we are offended SUE! Why the hell not.
As consumers we should take the responsibility to NOT PATRONIZE these stupid advertisers. If an advertisement is outrageous or just plain stupid, why buy from them?
As a person who buys online frequently, I DON’T buy from any company who spams me. I avoid ALL Coca-Cola products simply on the basis of those inane hypocritical Sprit commercials. Sooner or later, there’s a distinct possibility the advertisers may have an off chance to realize their error, if enough of us stop frequenting them.
 Just my $.02
Morkster

I’m with CreoSote on this. Let free market forces take care of it, the government’s got enough to do (and they do it so well!–NOT!)

What, we need Ad Police running around checking subway walls for “too many mentions of sponsor’s name per square foot”?

Anyway, I think you answered your own question. The stickers disappeared, the GGB idea was quickly shot down, etc.

But, IIRC, the bridge banner idea was only shot down after it was found out ( I think by the news media), AND the company gave a thought about public opinion. It could just as easily have decided to put the banner up anyway, or the deal might have gone ahead without anyone’s knowledge, resulting in a public outcry after the fact.

That’s the problem I see with just letting the free market handle. It seems to me it would act too slow. I’m not even sure how effective it is. Around here, everyone pretty much agrees that one of the stupidest things ever done was the buying of the name of Candlestick Park by 3Com (I’m sure you’ve all seen other names go the same way), but you didn’t see anyone burning their palm pilots in public.(What everyone did do was not use the name; I even heard some radio announcers simply not use the new one, or say “the park at Candlestick Point”). But the main objection to it is that it might only catch it after the fact. The company might not even mind the negative publicity, especially if in their mind the negative or positive of publicity is immaterial. Mostly, then, this applies to areas that we might simply want free from advertising, not just those that will eventually become undesirable for advertisers to pay for. If Taco Bell buys the Liberty Bell, do we want to object after the fact?

Maybe some people do, or don’t care about the matter one way or another. The reaction to the bridge banner seems to indicate that that’s not the case.

And yes, CreoSote – I do make it a point to not patronize the advertisers, and have no objection to the buying of ad space; i.e. space that was set up that way. But isn’t there a point that it gets too much in the way. If the city decides to sell ad space on your sidewalk, or all the stop signs where you live, etc. etc. is it really okay?

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3Com effectively advertises there because people are too complacent. They are displeased with the purchase of the park, but how many REALLY don’t buy tickets there now? How many still buy 3Com parts, or recommend them at the office?

I, too find I am guilty of this at times. I still buy a Coke item, every now and then. But at times it’s impossible not to, as they sometimes buy exclusive sales (at the movies or a restaurant). <- is it me, or does that word look wierd?>

So many people lack conviction these days. I think if Taco Hell bought the Liberty Bell so many people would be outraged, they’d go right out and conduct a meeting at Taco Hell about how much they’re outraged! I also have a low opinion of the general populous’ intellect, case I didn’t make that abundantly clear. This is also part of the problem.
 Morkster

Q. Why is it always so windy at Candlestick Park?

A. Because there are so many GIANT FANS!

I initially was going to post this as a funny story but it kinda lends to the discussion.

I went to high school in philly. My family hosted an exchange student from Europe for three months. The first day he was in the states as we were driving by Taco Bell (ok, I admit, AWAY from the Taco Bell…specifically the drive through)he asked if the bell out front was the Liberty Bell. No. He wasn’t joking.

I don’t think this is a sign of his ignorance, but rather I think it’s a little depressing that the rest of the world thinks so little of us americans that they believe we would put the Liberty Bell out front of a fast food place.

PS Of course our sports teams don’t have advertisements plastered all over the players themselves as in European soccer. When i was a kid, I thought that the names of clubs over in Euro Leagues were Nikon and such.