Advice: noisy neighbors

I wish I knew where to start. This is probably appropriate for the pit, but I’d like some advice, not just to vent. My neighbors below me are loud jerks. Yes, it’s mostly the fault of the paper-thin walls I wish I’d known about before I signed the 12-month lease, but I didn’t. Some of it is understandable, completely not their fault. The shower, the toilet fan, the loud television, the big truck starting up, I can deal with. The blaring stereo, the thumping bass while I’m trying to sleep, I can’t.

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Talking to them, going down there with eyes half-opened, politely asking them to turn it down, worked the first few times. No problem. I figure they’d get the message that someone lives above them now, and they should be quiet, as it is an apartment, the place isn’t soundproof, so on and so forth.

One night, partying and screaming got added to the thumping music (which you can literally feel in the ground), and my polite request for peace was ignored. I can be pretty patient, but I ended up calling the police after a while. Then I talked to the management. They apologized and told me they’d send them a lease violation notice. Next Thursday it began again, and I called the cops again. The next day I sent the management a serious, business-looking letter over e-mail (it was late, I was pissed, etc). They got back to me promptly, apologized again, and said they’d hand deliver the notice and speak with them. I was told if it continued I ‘must’ call the police, and that I could contact the woman who replied to me. There was nothing for six weeks.

Last week Friday, I heard it start up again. I called the cops. It got louder, and centralized under my bedroom, - a driving video game on a loop, cranked through a stereo, from what I could tell. Called the cops again. It kept going. Called the cops again. In the room, I’m lying on the bed, trying to calm down, and I hear knocking on the window down below. The officer comes to my door, and tells me no one’s home. I assumed this, as I was sure after my last call that they had started up the truck and left. He said he would “find them,” and he did, because they were dumb enough to return. The next night, not really surprisingly, I was awoken at 3am by the pounding bass I remembered from my first encounter. I sleep with earplugs, and my SO is a heavy sleeper, so this is a big deal. Bleary-eyed, I call the cops. Minutes later, it stops. I assume it was one song.

I wait a few days and contact the manager who spoke to me before. She responds, telling me she spoke to them already, regarding the police complaints (which I read are forwarded to rental management by the police). She also gives me what I was essentially expecting all along, which was ‘we can’t do shit because we’re not witnessing it,’ and lists the lies & excuses the noisy neighbor fed her. She told me to ‘make peace’ and suggested being more friendly, which I expect many of you will tell me.

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I’m not sure what to say to this woman (I can think of a LOT of things though), but on a lot of things, I know she’s right. I’ve read eviction isn’t easy or cheap for the companies, and noise issues are hard for them to prove. There’s also the factor that no matter what, they are paying rent and so it makes little difference to the manager how they behave in the apartment, or how much of a fuss I make about it. I had a similar, consistent problem in my first apartment, and that company did not give a damn.

I know the first suggestion is to pretend to like these assholes, who wouldn’t even say hello to us from the start (but are BFF with everyone else), started ignoring me, are lying to cover their ass because they can, purposely did this crap to me twice as revenge, and made up crap about me being loud at night. I will leave out the character judgments I’ve made from witnessing other behavior, because they aren’t directly pertinent, and wouldn’t bother me if not for the other nonsense. I have made no attempt at retaliaton (and I know damn well I could) because I know it is stupid and I know it would likely make it worse.

Is there anything I can do? I’ve got until next July to tolerate this garbage, and the little things I put up with are starting to bother me. Because of the previous problem, it infuriates me to a level of complete unreasonableness, where I cannot do or enjoy anything while this crap is going on.

Tape record the noice and every event and conversation or communication about it. Get a witnesses to witness the noise.

Call an attorney or do some legal research on lawsuits to abate nuisances, including temporary restraining orders and injunctions. Also look into rent withholding, abandoning the premises, and/or suing the landlord for rent paid due to the landlord’s failure to provide you quiet enjoyment of your premises.

It helps to be keeping a record of each time you hear the noise, tell them to turn it down, call the cops, and so on. I don’t understand why the manager is saying they can’t do anything because they haven’t personally witnessed the noise - if the police arrive at the apartment and find that the noise levels are unreasonable, then don’t they put that in their reports? How can the manager say they’re not witnessing it, if they have police reports in front of them?

What do the other neighbors think about the noise? If it’s more than just you complaining, maybe they’ll have to pay attention to you?

In any case, retaliation is probably the worst thing you can do. then it’s just a childish game of who can be louder, and you might find yourself in trouble instead.

Good luck getting it straightened out.

Do you want out of the lease? You shouldn’t HAVE to move to get away from noise, but you sound like you don’t like the place anyway and are planning to move in July. With a mountain of police complaints and the certainty that you aren’t going to stop bothering you, the apartment should be more than willing to let you out without penalty. You might even negotiate reduced rent for a month to cover moving costs–cheaper for them than evicting the other person.

Talk to a lawyer. He may be able to tell you what your options are. If it bothers you as much as it appears, it may be worth it to move and you may be able to get out of your lease with no penalty. Or the manager may opt to not renew *their * lease (find out when theirs is up).

Next time you move, you might want to poll the neighbors and find out what their noise habits are so you can avoid a repeat.

I once insisted that a management representative sit in my apartment and listen; she stayed until a little past midnight, when we called the police. After repeated complaints from me, as well as several visits by the police, the offenders were notified that their lease would not be renewed. Two weeks later they were gone----leaving my car vandalized.

It pisses me off to even read that. How can people even think to be like that… a topic for another day.

Are you in a high-demand/low-vacancy rental market? If so, I’d agree that you should see if you can just break the lease. I’ve done this three times - once in Chicago and twice in New York City (Queens) - and for reasons that had nothing to do with the apartments itself. The most I’ve lost was my security deposit, but otherwise the landlords were fine with it, wished my luck and all that. They knew they could find someone else, it wasn’t worth their time to hassle me for forward-rent.

If you’re in a high-vacancy market, well, i guess i have nothing worthwhile to add. My sympathies, loud neighbors really suck.