Advice On Job Situation Please

ere everyone, my partner of nearly 12 years reads this board daily and suggested I create an account to have a question that is nagging on my brain.

I’m probably not the most eloquent writer as many on here are, but I’ll do my best to consider writing well an ultimate goal as well during my time here.

My question concerns submitting references when asked by a potential employer.

Long story short, I became laid off recently from my employer and submitted a resume for a company that has two openings that match my skills set.

I received a telephone call from the potential employer’s HR recruiter asking me six or seven questions likely to get a feel for the person I am and for them to better understand my experience and match with their company.

At the end of the conversation, the HR recruiter asked me to email her a list of names, email addresses, and telephone numbers of managers, supervisors, and co-workers I had with my last job and the previous job to that one.

I thought about it and wrote up two separate word documents with this information and sent it to her the same day.

She replied early the following morning to say thanks and that she appreciated by fast work on getting the information she requested and that her hiring manager would use to further screen the potential pool of candidates.

She said she was going to use this information to call upon the prior employers to determine my work ethic, experience, and personal character while I was an employee at both companies.

After sending the email to her, I began to wonder if my second to last employer would try to downplay my character or experience for this reason.

In my second to last position I was the lowest person in the department hierarchy but I was part of a team effort within the department.

I was a Help Desk agent which involved taking all phone calls and logging tickets for the company with any type of computer related or telephone issue.

A great deal of the time I worked and resolved a great number of issues by the telephone which created a good level of satisfaction with my abilities over the two years I was at this company.

Toward the end of the time with this company, my father became ill and I wanted to ask for a couple of days off for vacation to help be with him and my mother at the doctor’s office. I had the approval of my supervisor as long as I could find someone else that would volunteer to work in my spot while I had the time off.

This was always his policy toward me ever having time off schedule with the company. I was responsible for begging and pleading with my co-workers to work for me so I could take time off but nobody else in the department was held to this same rule by my supervisor.

I had made a good number of friends with the IT staff at another location of the same company that quickly volunteered to fill up two of the three days I requested off, however, the most important day when my dad was scheduled to actually see the doctor, nobody stepped up to want to work for me.

I included my supervisor in the emails explaining exactly the days, why I wanted the time off, and the pleading for time off but nobody wanted to work that third day.

When I couldn’t get that third day off, I went back to my supervisor and explained the situation that I could find someone to work for two of the three days off but nobody would take the third day so I didn’t need any of the time off.

His response was simply, “Okay” without any effort to ask the people he oversees to step up or require anyone to fill up that extra day so I could have the time off.

I even asked him if he’d help schedule someone to fill that last day for me and he responded that it wasn’t his job to do so.

A week or two after this, I turned in a notice of termination with the company so I could help my mother with my father and his ailing health, and further assist my partner in the construction needs of the home we have now.

I mentioned the situation above to the HR manager of the company and the HR recruiter during my exit interview and they became very disturbed of me having to beg and plead with someone to work for me before I could have any scheduled time off. They felt my supervisor would be the one that would need to manage and fill those vacation time slots instead of me having to do so.

Both said they’d meet with him in about two weeks after I left the company to try and understand where his logic was in that managerial process.

So, long story short…would you email back the HR representative at the new company I submitted a resume to that expressed a good deal of interest in me as an employer and let her know what happened?

I’m not sure at all my previous boss would tell her things to show me in a negative light but given the situation, I feel a new potential HR recruiter would want to know this prior supervisor’s management style.

All she has now is a copy of an excellent resume and what I feel is a good feeling about me as a potential employee with this new company.

For my boss to speak of me negatively would be unwarranted given two good annual reviews I have in my possession speaking well of my work ethic, skills, and character.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what I should explain if anything to with this new HR recruiter? I feel I should email her and explain that situation and keep the email positive about my past supervisor.

However I feel I also should explain that situation without her having to find out something negative my boss could possibly present to her by email or telephone as punishment for me discussing his lack of managerial abilities as my supervisor.

One other thing worthy of note, I spent $39.00 to have a company call my previous supervisor to ask questions related to my work experience, character, and skills, and he said nothing negative during that telephone call.

I’m just wondered what I should do next with the new potential employer.

Most companies I’ve worked for have a policy of not answering any questions about your work history either good or bad. Too much liability with the possiblities of defamation and what not. They would usually just provide your title, start date, end date and possibly whether you were rehireable or not.

If you get 4 or 5 great recommendations, and 1 bad one - it won’t take much for the HR person checking on you to figure out that it was an abberation. They must see it often enough. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

Good luck w/ getting the job and welcome to the boards!!!

If your previous employers are giving good references, I’m not sure what you’re worried about here.

For the record, your supervisor is responsible for filling shifts, not you. You are responsible for asking for time off for good reasons and with proper notice, and that’s it.

I’ll back up what HelloNinja has said. While I was being hired at my previous job (#3), my hiring manager was having a huge hassle getting anything more than my title start date or end date from my supervisors (at company #2). So, I asked my supervisor why couldn’t she be more elaborate in her answers. She told me it was company policy and a liability issue

I wonder if the HR manager of your old company would be a reference for you. He or she saw your performance reviews and that you had made a good-faith effort to get somebody to cover for you (which indeed was not your responsibility).

Yep. I’ve never worked any place that gave any info about quality, just facts about employment. That’s why I keep copies of all my performance evaluations.

When I give references, I give people’s home addresses and telephone numbers so they are not contacted while at work and feel more free to expound. At least I think I do. I haven’t applied for a job in almost 10 years.

Why would your old boss talk negatively about you?

As a general rule, I usually like to have specific references who I have talked to prior to using them.

I also thought it was strange that HR would check your references before you interviewed.

Are you in the US? Did she ask for a “list of references” or did she specifically say she wanted contact info for all bosses at your 2 previous jobs? IME (all in US) when a hiring company wants to talk to people about your job performance (not just “Yes, she was here from Date to Date.”) then they expect to get a list of names of people who you’re in touch with and who have agreed to answer questions about your performance. You should have at least one supervisor but you don’t need to list every supervisor. They may want to verify dates but they can talk to HR for that.

I would leave this one alone, it sounds low risk that your old boss will decide to give you a hassle, and if you over-explain you might set off a flag with new-company HR. And next time I’d just clip this guy off the list, it sounds like you have enough people to vouch for you.

ETA: good luck!

This was my first thought. I had thought that it was illegal or at least discouraged for an employer to provide character references. Perhaps it’s just become standard corporate policy at most places and I assumed it was a rule? Anyway, most companies I’ve worked at don’t give character references in the event an employee left on bad terms, the employer holds a grudge against the employee for having left or just doesn’t like them. All a potential employer can do is verify dates of employment and salary history.

You are way, way, way overthinking this. For a supervisor to actually give a negative reference, something which does put the company at some legal risk, it generally needs to be something big. As in, big enough that he probably fired you for it or tried to get you fired for it or at least gave you formal warnings about it. *

The legal risk to the company isn’t huge. The risk would mainly be in supervisors saying something that wasn’t true or something that reflected an illegal bias or practice. In this case it sounds to me like, if you were covered by the Family Medical Leave Act in your job, he might have been breaking the that law by not giving you the time off. If that’s the case, HR may well have chewed him out for it. I’m not trying to imply you have a potential winning lawsuit on your hands, but this really, really doesn’t sound like the kind of thing a former supervisor is going to make a point of giving a negative reference about.

  • Managers who don’t exercise this level of discretion are out there, but usually don’t stay in management for long. Owners of small companies might be a possible exception.

Seconding, thirding, etc that the most you can get from any of my past employers is that I worked there and my job title.

Beyond that, if you’re really concerned, you could get a friend to stand as a straw man and call pretending to be a potential employer to see what sort of responses he gets.

Have them do it from a phone with caller ID blocked or neutral of course.

I’m not sure why you needed to hire a company to check your reference. A friend was unsure about what information a previous manager was giving out when called as a reference, so I called the previous manager pretending to be someone interested in hiring my friend to see what was said.

Or what Projammer said.