After a Hillary win...

Maybe immigration reform if the GOP is honestly tired of losing.

Go bad how? like everything is mostly ok but rightwingers still think Obama is the worst president ever bad? In order for one side to think things are going badly the other has to be happy with the result, and i seriously doubt she is going to be making the right happy. I think things are going to go much like they did with Obama, slowly trending towards good with the GOP doing their best to drag the country down.

Google Hillary Gun Control for several hours reading. Just for starters, she’s on record as wanting the law protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from being sued for crimes committed with their guns repealed.

Ravenman is right that losing is a dumb strategy, but sometimes it is better to lose. The Democrats were definitely better off with Kerry losing the 2004 election.

Clinton winning would probably be better for Congressional and Senate Republicans, at least those that don’t lose in 2016 from her coattails. 2018 is already a vicious map for Democrats and will be more vicious if Clinton is in the White House than if a Republican is. Plus, as hard as it is to win three straight terms for your party, winning four hasn’t been done since FDR. Plus it would give Republicans four more years to hash out their differences and perhaps present a more unified face in 2020. Meanwhile, Clinton may find it hard to keep the Dem coalition together. I expect a lot more activity from groups like BLM and Occupy during a Clinton administration. Plus the lady don’t play when it comes to killing our enemies, so she could have an LBJ effect on the party if the base isn’t down with a tougher war on ISIS.

In 2012 it was clear what they needed to do, but instead they decided nothing needed to be learned so they doubled down. It will eventually not work in mid-terms as it is not working in the presidential ones.

As pointed before Clinton did attend the recent 60th anniversary of Rosa Parks Bus protest, no Republican did bother to attend, not even Carson. And I still have trouble finding people that opposed killing that Bin Laden guy…

Based on history. Hillary Clinton will, like every previous Democratic President in the last fifty years, have all guns confiscated on her first day in office. According to credible sources, Lyndon Johnson confiscated all the guns in America, Jimmy Carter confiscated all the guns in America, Bill Clinton confiscated all the guns in America, and Barack Obama confiscated all the guns in America - and obviously Hillary Clinton will do the same.

Feels to me like Obama is doing strategic and coordinated work on gun control now - it would be naive to not see this as part of an overlapping strategy between an administration with nothing to lose and an administration with an opposition in disarray.

You have to assume present and future Democrat administrations are clear on the the potential of an extended timeline. At some point this becomes a job share …

Of course in a system like the US’s there will always be two main parties. The way votes are counted would have to be changed for that to change.

bathory, thatcher, elizabeth first, catherine of russia, victoria

The poor get hell, the rich get very very rich, and for decades after the country is broken and the colonies starve.

So no different to the worst men

All true.

I was responding to the folks who seemed to be saying that demographics would ensure that the know-nothing branch of conservatism was fore-ordained to fade from the scene forever starting in 2016. Which is obviously silly.

Like a man, but more womany.

It would take more than things going bad for a major American political party not to stand behind a sitting POTUS of that party, it would take Nixon-level crimes. Of course, if things are going bad and the POTUS wants a second term, that party’s primaries are wide open – but, judging by the experiences of Ford and Reagan in 1976 and Carter and Kennedy in 1980, it wouldn’t much matter.

A female cop pulls over a male driver.

DRIVER: What did I do wrong, Officer?

COP: sigh Oh, nothing . . . :frowning:

It was more a response to elucidator’s post, just prior to mine, so maybe you should ask him. But it was also in response to her claim that she would still be picking the flowers for state dinners.

At any rate, there seems to be this meme that women are more into consensus building and less trigger happy than men are. If we take that as having some truth, I expect Hillary to be more on the male end of that spectrum than on the female end.

Oh, sure, blame the hippy! I don’t fault you for not stepping into the trap, but did you have to shove me into it?

1- I anticipate no major policy changes. Domestically, Hillary and Obama are pretty close and in foreign affairs, she has been a bit more of a hawk, though I think her term as Secretary of State has given her a bit more respect for diplomacy.

2- I don’t anticipate things going downhill, but if they do she may choose not to run again.

Hillary cravenly and transparently seeks power.

She’ll overplay her hand early on and come back to earth. Just like Obama after the ACA.

What on Earth are you talking about?!

Yep, therefore she will be reelected in 2020. :slight_smile:

Seriously.

If anything, Obama didn’t play enough of a hand.

Hillary Clinton will govern pretty much like any other President. But we’ll be able to pay her eighty thousand dollars a year less.