Whatever the results. Story here and here.
Bit premature? Or can he finally make it stick and say RIP to the Clinton campaign?
Healing is best served by winning with grace.
I’m hoping that the Obama campaign holds off on doing this. While I’m confident that, in the end, he’ll have the nomination, I think it would only escalate the tension between the two Dem campaigns.
Currently, I see the race as similar to a small family in a grocery store. One of the kids keeps poking the other kid, who keeps trying to ignore it. Meanwhile, the parents are busy shopping.
If this announcement occurs, the situation becomes: the kid getting poked starts poking the other kid back, until they’re both screaming and yelling throughout the store. Meanwhile, the other patrons of the store keep wondering when the parents will actually do something to get their kids under control.
ETA: Thanks for posting that link, DSeid. That’s exactly what I was hoping for.
He has no intention of declaring victory. Is there a debate that can be salvaged from this?
Ditto - he said that on national TV this morning.
Well tomorrow it is entirely possible that he walks away with at least 50% of the delegates, which closes the gap in the delegate count to about half of what he needs as he needs about 117. He’ll get between 50-60 tomorrow. It’s possible that both states will mirror each other in their gaps. They both have about the same delegates at 52 and 51 respectively. If Obama wins Oregon by a larger margin than she wins Kentucky, then he can come back with 60, which is more than half of what he needs. I wonder if there is a watershed where the supers just break for Obama. I guess we’re close enough to June 3 that we’re gonna take it to the wire.
Cheesecake: delicious, or extra delicious?
What the hell kind of racist question is that?
Clearly you’ve never been to Junior’s.
Is there any chance he wins Oregon by ~30 points? I know there are polls, but since this is a mail-in vote I’m not sure how reliable they are.
The supers are speaking pretty clearly, but at this point, a lot of them are just going to hold off until after June 3rd. It reduces the chances that anyone feels Hillary was unfairly pushed out of the race.
Supers will be a constant flow but not a flood. Enough to give Hillary’s supporters an increasing awareness of her Huckabeelity without actually pushing her. By the time she actually concedes all but the most delusional of her supporters will still be wondering why she hadn’t done it long ago and have moved past the anger stage of the grief process. On June 3 enough supers will have declared for him that the pledged delegates won that day will be enough to push him over the top. Michigan and Florida will be seated. Hillary will then swear her support.
Mind you the end game can still be played ugly but increasingly it is looking like it won’t be. Obama gains nothing by declaring himself winner. What Hillary gains by continuing it further (when it is clear that there will be no supers riding to her rescue) I don’t know, but by marginalizing herself she does help the healing process. Could she be doing it intentionally and nobly? Maybe.
Mini hijack - I’ve been to Junior’s in Brooklyn. I don’t know what the heck I was expecting, but I definitely wasn’t expecting a surly staff and average cheesecake.
Fuck you, I didn’t ask about Oreo cheesecake.
Ya have to bring Halle Berry into this?
::d&r::
It would be foolish of Obama to declare himself the nominee. It would be an out-of-character stroke of arrogance that would alienate the delegates whose support he still needs to actually be nominated. Some of them might decide that if he’s taking their votes so much for granted they should switch back to Clinton to remind him of reality.
It would also be foolish if he whipped out his penis and yelped like a Chihuahua. A source close to the campaign said he had no intention of doing so, however.
In public, anyway…
That would make no sense, even in the context of a primary season where a lot of stuff hasn’t made sense. Regardless, I do agree that he won’t declare anything stupid because he needs to start shoring up his support among Clinton’s voters.
He could declare himself lord of the dance.
It could be a ploy…float it out there that he’s going to declare victory, then when he doesn’t do it, it makes him look less arrogant/more magnanamous/above it. Adds to his presidential aura.