I haven’t heard this or seen it implied in any serious numbers. The reason many pro choicers believe that no other position can be validly held is based on something else which you touch upon.
The discussion is about human rights and when a fetus can be declared to be deserving of those rights. The pro lifers that insist “from the moment of conception” have utterly failed to support their position with anything other than emotion and religious beliefs. That’s not enough.
It hasn’t been frivolously dismissed. It has been carefully examined over and over again. It’s about human rights and pro lifers have continuously failed to establish a fetus as a fully human deserving of equal consideration person. That’s the crux, and pro lifers often refuse to acknowledge that. To them, their own gut feeling about the issue or their religious beliefs, trump reason and science.
But you know what? Yeah, I have an emotional reaction to being told that my feelings and hopes and dreams and life are unimportant compared to some vague idea of a potential person, and that emotional reaction is “fuck you, and your profoundly stunted and misguided notions of ‘compassion’ and ‘sanctity of life’.” Honestly, you wouldn’t give a shit if I died, and I’m an actual living breathing sentient being.
Yeah, I really get off on that. This is striking you as an inflammatory position I’m taking?
What am I missing? You asked
I’m pointing out who cares, in the context of this conversation? We’ve had a societal referendum on the point - you do not have that right. We had one on abortion, too, and it went the other way. So what does it matter how convincing the people who actually have the law on their side are about it?
The misrepresentation goes both ways. There are pro-life people who misrepresent the pro-choice position as being pro-abortion - as if they were encouraging abortions. I don’t think anyone is genuinely pro-abortion. The pro-choice position is that it is a decision that should be left to the individuals involved.
So the slogan you refered to isn’t a mocking of the pro-life position. It’s a distillation of the pro-choice position.
Even if we were to grant that to be true, expressing such open and unrestrained contempt makes your argument an emotionally laden one, rather than one which projects rationality. The mere fact that you insist on painting pro-lifers with such a broad brush, even though individuals hold their pro-life views with different nuances and degrees of conviction, makes your whole contention come across as emotion-driven rather than coldly logical.
Or, to hammer it home, it makes your argument just as bad as theirs.
The bumper sticker is still telling the pro-lifers what they have to do in their own personal lives.
Furthermore, the idea that a woman has a right over her own body is itself based entirely on emotional reasoning. Rights are merely things that society agrees people should be allowed to do. The so-called right for a woman to terminate a pregnancy is not agreed upon by society. It is merely a belief you hold.
I could just as easily say that killing everybody who no longer contributes to society would be logical. Heck, there are even logical reasons to kill people who do contribute, as reducing the population would reduce the amount that needs to be contributed. All I have to do is accept the belief as an axiom that society is always more important than the individual.
It seems that both sides are guilty of not being able to accept that their view is not shared by everyone.
Have a read about people who are against any abortions but their own. These people are sometimes pro-life picketers, before AND AFTER they have an abortion and/or someone they love has an abortion. The saying isn’t just a throwaway line…if people are against abortion, then they should also not have an abortion or seek an abortion for someone else when THEY need one.
This saying is pointing out the monstrous hypocricy of some anti-choicers.
No, they are liars who see pregnancy as an opportunity to brutalize and oppress women. As pointed out above; they make exceptions that they wouldn’t if they really meant it, and they tend to get abortions for themselves while trying to deny them to others. The anti-abortion movement is a movement driven by hatred for women, not by any concern for the fetus. Their behavior is consistent with people who are out to abuse women, not with ones who care about “babies”, unborn or otherwise. They are a hate movement, not one driven by ethics.
I see no more reason to take their arguments seriously than I would those of a neo-Nazi movement claiming that it was motivated by a desire to protect equal rights for white people.
Hardly. Plenty of women have always enthusiastically hated other women and tried to harm them. All over the world, grossly misogynist organizations are full of women; the Catholic Church being a glaring example. Women are some of their own worst enemies.
So the millions of American women who claim to believe that abortion is murder because fetuses have the same rights as born humans are lying–in reality, they just hate women.
They hate the fact that other women are able to get abortions, when they themselves get an abortion whenever they feel the need. Or didn’t you read my link?
Yes. That’s how they act; they act like people with an agenda to harm and oppress women; not like people who have any compassion for others. And actions speak louder than words.