So you’re saying that they don’t act like people who are out to stop a legalized form of murder that occurs every day in every state? How is their behavior inconsistent with that?
The fact that they indulge in it themselves for one. For another, the fact that they show no actual concern for the children they try to force into the world. And their tendency to focus on pushing laws that will harm and harass women without reducing the number of abortions. And the fact that the same people who oppose abortion tend to work against the rights of women in general, not just when it comes to abortion.
I’m fine with retiring the slogan referred to in the OP, which I haven’t seen on a bumper sticker in a long time or heard any pro-abortion rights advocate use ever.
It’s a simplistic and somewhat in-your-face slogan. The pro-abortion rights view, being thoughtful and nuanced does not lend itself well to facile sloganeering. “Against abortion? Consider the lives irretrievably damaged and lost without access to safe, legal abortion” does not fit on a bumper sticker.
Let the other side keep its vast lead in insulting, demeaning and idiotic rhetoric.
Your article says that there are some women who oppose abortion, but when push comes to shove, end up having an abortion themselves. How does translate into “millions of American women” adopting the same hypocritical stance?
Besides, do you really think that your link constitutes a substantive argument against the pro-life view? People often fail to live up to their ideals, especially in times of distress. Most people oppose theft, for example, and yet a great many of these people wind up committing acts of thievery – sometimes for petty reasons, sometimes due to a personal crisis. Should we therefore conclude that the anti-theft movement is inherently hypocritical?
Do you have any real evidence of this kind of thing? These kinds of third hand anecdotes are not terribly convincing.
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Shodan
Which means you don’t believe that sort of thing happens?
People who believe a fetus is a human being should also support investigating miscarriages. Maybe the pregnant woman took an asprin or some coffee or thought bad thoughts that caused the baby to be murdered.
Indeed, if any woman seeks an abortoin, they should support having her locked up and forced to give birth, then taking th baby away from such an unfit mother.
The thing that struck me about that article was those who were so conflicted that they couldn’t accept their own needs and choices. They got an abortion and still considered abortion, and the doctors evil. It’s tragic to be that conflcited.
Nonsense. Unless there is speciifc reason to believe that the unborn was deliberately killed, then there is no reason to investigate a miscarriage. That’s a bugaboo that certain pro-choicers like to toss around, but it has no basis in either precedent or logic.
Using that reasoning, people who oppose the murder of elderly people should also demand a full investigation whenever an old person is found dead. That’s simply fallacious. Unless there is good reason to suspect foul play, then there is no compelling reason to demand an investigation.
It is indeed. That’s human nature, though. It’s not an excuse, but it is reality. People often behave inconsistently, especially when faced with a personal crisis.
The fact that the protesters get an abortion when THEY want one, but then go on to protest other women getting abortions. Almost all of the patients cited do this. Pretty hypocritical, if you ask me.
The article has five cites, and states that studies of this phenomenon are rare.
People who don’t like abortions, and especially those who campaign against legal abortions, shouldn’t get abortions (or seek an abortion for someone else) when they find themselves or someone else with an unwanted pregnancy. That’s what the saying means.
I’ve been a women’s clinic escort. I’ve had nasty things said to me. But when I was escorting a woman who confided that she felt pressured to get an abortion by her husband or boyfriend, I found resources to help her keep her pregnancy. That’s what choice is, being able to CHOOSE whether to keep the pregnancy or abort it. And I wish that I’d had that choice when I was pregnant.
In which case they should either refuse to get an abortion, and stick with their ideals, or accept the fact that maybe people DO need to be able to choose a safe, legal abortion, as they have done.
We can agree on that. As I said, people behave inconsistently, and that’s obviously not good.
The point, however, is that this does not invalidate the pro-life stance – no moreso than a crooked policeman somehow invalidates the concept of obeying the law.
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I think that it doesn’t invalidate the stance of many pro-lifers…just the ones who get abortions for themselves or their wives/GFs/daughters when THEY have an unwanted pregnancy.
The fact that some anti-abortion campaigners get abortions does not prove that they’re really just anti-women. Hypocrisy is a universal human phenomenon. People who believe that adultery is wrong will have affairs. People who believe that theft is wrong will steal shit. Et cetera. It doesn’t mean they don’t believe it, it means that they make exceptions for themselves.
The human capacity for self serving rationalization is astonishing. It’s the same reason why someone can collect Social Security Disability and yet spend all day on message boards railing against the worthless layabouts on welfare.
Which is what the slogan you’re so upset about means. If you’re going to make a douche of yourself harassing others who are in a very bad position at least man up (woman up?) when you’re in that situation and accept the fate that you have no problem forcing on others.
No argument there, alice. Hypocrisy is a bad thing.
It still doesn’t invalidate the pro-life stance, though. Lynn’s link (if reliable) simply demonstrates that some people are indeed hypocrites. For reasons that have already been discusssed at length, this says nothing about the veracity or falsity of their stances.
Nope - you’re correct - the two are fully unrelated; however, I’m not sure the slogan in the OP is meant to invalidate the pro-life position - I’m not sure it says anything about the pro-life position.
I realize our OPer keeps saying that the statement ignores the morality of the issue. Well, many pro-choice people, myself included, don’t consider abortion immoral, or having any morality (negative or positive) at all. It’s a medical procedure. There are motivations for and against abortion that may or may not be immoral.
I suppose if the OPer is staunchly pro-life, and want’s to get his panties in a bunch about it, choosing a silly, throw-away comment is as good a target as anything. Certainly better than railing against woman who are making a legally protected choice regarding their own health and body.