Did you mean to reply to Dinsdale? I think they were the one who had a problem with it.
I’ve got no more or less “problem” w/ that than most of the other garbage in the Bible.
I did have a problem with the fact that my best buddy - as well as his wife and daughter - were all atheists. In her grief, she allowed her BIL to arrange the services. And some asshole priest stood up there and went on - well beyond those verses - to tell my buddy’s wife and dtr that they were basically worthless.
So - you got anything to contribute to the thread, or just desiring to give me some good bible educashun? Because there is little I would like less.
Your friend did the right thing, and so did the driver. She may not have been the only person who complained, either.
Many times, people have said, “If I saw a crime in progress, I’d do XYZ” and I have replied, “No, you wouldn’t; you would run as fast as possible in the opposite direction.”
I wish I could upvote this post.
Most Christians don’t do those things, or believe that way either.
I believe that those verses say that the husband/father is to be a leader, which is NOT the same as being an oppressive bully.
Really? I think her reaction was totally normal, and I might have done the same. You are pretty much trapped in an airplane. If there’s not an extra seat, there is literally no place you can go to get away from the guy. And most planes are pretty full these days. And he’s obviously not following “social norms”, so who knows what else he might do if you anger him.
I’m curious whether she had the aisle or the window seat. (Yes, of course you can climb over a sleeping passenger to get out from the window seat, I’ve done it dozens of times.) From the aisle seat, it seems more likely that she’d have gotten up sooner to look for a flight attendant. Or just to get away. But maybe the seatbelt sign was on. Maybe she was just so horrified that she froze.
Seriously? You all are killing me. Fuck the seatbelt sign. This guy is spanking it next to me. I want a new seat wherein I will fasten my seatbelt. The plane is full? Well stuff him in the lavatory because I’m not sitting next to him. The window seat? Press the call button or “accidentally” kick him in the dick as you “politely” exit the seat.
I just don’t get this. I grew up in rural WV where women were and are taught with traditional gender values and they generally still follow them in the year 2022. Nobody, not my mother, my grandmothers, my wife, nor any woman I know would put up with this kind of stuff.
And what I’d like to know is why there isn’t an equivalent to this damnable practice for the sons.
I’m still totally baffled by some of the statements here.
This lady took out her camera and took pictures of this lunatic in the act.
Instead of hoping for an arrest, a charge, and a trial, she gave the FBI Probable Cause.
Instead of this being some he-said, she-said that this masturbating lunatic might be able to weasel out of, this lady had the composure to give the authorities awfully damning evidence against him.
She’s a freaking hero.
And some seem to be arguing that [the straw man argument about what she did or did not do] fell way short of the mark.
I truly don’t get it.
At least … I hope I don’t.
Yup. She did good.
“some weirdo spanking it during the in-flight beverage service”
Exactly. Thus, you’re obviously dealing with someone who’s not quite predictable, and you don’t know how they’re going to react.
So all these, “If I were there, I’d…” – well, hey. Good for you, you big hero you. 
I’m guessing most of them are also male.
But you are saying that a woman is uniquely incapable of responding to that? Sounds like Archie Bunker.
I was thinking it sounded more like a textbook straw man argument:
Where, pray tell, did @Guinastasia say that ?
Thanks.
That’s been the theme throughout the thread. It’s been pretty much that us men can easily say that we would have confronted the person, but the fact that the “victim” in this case was a woman means that she is so passive that she must be compared to a wife in 1840’s England.
She is simply unable, without any analysis of her past, to press a button to tell someone. I think that is insulting to women, even as I live in a society where women generally comply with traditional gender roles. My wife would tear that guy up.
So it was a straw man argument.
Thanks.
I’m really struggling to find anybody who’s making this about her gender besides you.
Literally most of the thread has been about her gender.
It’s not about whether you’re objectively safe.
There is no way I could stand up and shout about that. I can definitely picture myself freezing. I could maybe get up and go tell a flight attendant quietly.
It should not be too much for anyone – I’m sure those of us who couldn’t do it would love to be able to, but I didn’t get a choice in the matter, and
my efforts to grow as a person aren’t there yet.
This is not about ideals, it’s about reality. And no one is saying women are biologically too weak to stand up for themselves. Women are socialized differently from men. Surely that is not a surprise to you, nor does belief in the ideal of equality make it not so. In addition, there are different patterns of victimization for girls vs boys. Trauma in one’s formative years has lifelong effects.
I very seriously doubt anyone will take you up on this, given the atmosphere. But a six-year-old is probably much more likely than an adult woman to say anything.
Don’t get me wrong – many women would be able to. But a not insignificant portion would not.
Someone mentioned fight, flight or freeze. Recent research adds another one, which is appeasement. If you’ve never truly been in that situation (a fight, flight, freeze, or appease situation) all you have is your wish about how you’d react.
I’ve seen explanations of the neurobiology behind it. Once in that mode, you may not be able to even access your higher brain functions.
I’ve been thinking about this. My recent - minor - experience makes the concept of freezing understandable to me. I find that - applicable to both genders - more likely than the unexplained “training” women get, which is often generally offered in “sexual” situations…
After I froze, I was upset with myself for not doing something. I put my inaction down to being unclear as to how “manners” ought to work in that situation. Especially when IMO my friend’s actions had transgressed manners.
Where, exactly, did I say that it was only a woman who would do so?
(And don’t give me that crap about “what the rest of the thread says”)