Airman Doors: Liar

I don’t think Airman’s a bad guy, and I do think he tries to be openminded and has been unfairly taken as mindless dittohead from time to time, but once in a while he says something that really does sound an awful lot like right wing bullshit, and this is one of those times. He made a blanket statement about pro-choicers and, so far, has yet to back it up.

What kind of ridiculous nonsense is that? I’m sure if you looked long enough you could find someone who is attacking her for this reason, but to suggest that it’s an even remotely significant number is garbage.

OK, let’s address the substantive part of this first.

I never asserted that Bristol Palin was being attacked. I asserted that her mother was being attacked for hypocrisy because her daughter was pregnant. The reason that this troubles me is that no matter what her mother believes, Bristol Palin had sex and became pregnant. Sarah Palin did not cause her daughter to become pregnant. Bristol elected to have the child, a decision that some would say her mother is keen on removing as an option for millions of women. While I understand the resentment that this breeds, I do not think that Sarah Palin deserves to be attacked through her daughter.

Further, I have stated elsewhere that I believe that Roe is settled law and that in spite of my philosophical objection to abortion it is not my place to interfere in the exercise of what is (and I believe will continue to be even if McCain is elected) a legal right that saves the lives of countless women.

Now, on to my statements. I have tried to remain above the fray, but it became too much for me the other day. The SDMB has become Palin 24/7, with what I perceive to be in some cases absurd and baseless allegations. Last night I mused to myself that the next thread was going to be about how Palin’s farts don’t smell like roses. It got the better of me.

I allowed myself to lose my temper and I said some things that I shouldn’t have said, and I unreservedly apologize for them. I’ve said silly things before, I will again, and I suppose that I will have to answer for those as well. I didn’t go back to the thread because I honestly didn’t see the point in continuing. Note the word “honestly” in that sentence. Whatever else I am, I am not a liar.

Now, on to the writer of the OP. lissener, it was only that I realized that I needed to tie up this loose end that I troubled myself to click the “View Post” button up in the corner. Whatever I am to you, you are nothing to me. This is the second time in a week that you have attacked me, and the last time you went after both me and my mother. Oh, don’t think I didn’t notice. Well, this is the last time I take notice of you. Insult me all you want to, indulge your weird fixation at your leisure, because I won’t take the bait. I’m better than you are, lissener. I don’t need to take random shots at you. I don’t even need to acknowledge your existence. From this moment on, I won’t be. I hope you take comfort in your bitterness, because it will fall on deaf ears.

So, in conclusion, I made a mistake. This is my acknowledgment of that and my apology for it. I’ll try to be more conscientious in the future.

Dude, the only reason I chose *you *to troll during Amnesia Weekend is because you have never responded or referred to me on this board without doing so dismissively and insultingly. There are a lot of people on this board who have been negative toward me, but I have never felt such unbroken disdain and disrespect, with less cause, from anyone here as from you. (Well, except QED, but he doesn’t count, being an actual retard.) Point being, if mutual respect is earned, then you don’t really have a lot to complain about, in:re the tone of the OP. Anyway, though I wouldn’t think I’d have to apologize that you took a “yo mama” joke as an “attack on your mother,” if you did take it seriously I do apologize.

Cool. Thanks. I wouldn’t have started a pit thread with “Liar” in the title if you’d responded like this in the linked thread. I still kinda think it took a Pit thread to draw this out of you, but I’ll try to remain open minded enough to have my mind changed by your future conscientiousness. Although, frankly, if you continue to be as unrelentingly disrespectful of me, no matter what the context, then my mind my close again.

Cool beans, Airman. Thanks for taking the medicine.

Agreed, and . . .

Agreed.

I like Airman Doors. He’s one of the few people on this board - on either side of the political spectrum - who is willing to genuinely re-evaluate when he realizes he might be on the wrong side of an argument or an issue.

That said, I generally like lissener, too. Let’s all hug.

Ever since the upgrade I keep clicking on pit threads on getting redirected to MPSIMS, I can’t figure it out :confused:
Seriously though, it’s nice to see some rational behaviour in here for a change. Now let’s all scram before Carol Stream shows up.

She got pregnant at 17. 18 is an emancipated adult. Jesus Fucking Christ.

The biggest fucking concern you guys should be concerned about is why some fucking fucktard would name their kid ‘Bristol’.

I know I’m being stupid for even getting into this, but she explained that she named her Bristol because her husband (Todd Palin) lived or was born in Bristol Bay, AK. I heard this on TV and it was probably reported in many newspapers and possibly on the internet somewhere. You might try to use one of these methods to find out things. Oh, I almost forgot, Track, her oldest son was named such because they like to run. I hope this does not offend you also. :wink:

I do not know about the others kids.

Hey, at least she’s original. That’s not a bad thing. :slight_smile:

Right, because making fun of someone’s name is something the Republicans would certainly never, ever do.

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OHHHH, my gosh.

I’m not going to go through them all. Call me an expert as I have as much experience with this stuff as you probably do. My wife has had 6 pregnancies, which included 1 set of twins, so we have 7 kids. She also had 2 miscarriages but that is beside the point. Our kids were born before ultrasound, so we always had boy and girls names ready when the kid came. Lucky for us, the twins were fraternal so we just had to use both the boy and girl names. :smiley:

I have heard, and with very good authority that Sarah Palin knew she would have a special needs child, a Downs syndrome baby. She knew this from when she first found out she was pregnant. She knew this from tests performed early in pregnancy. She did not want to abort, but wanted to carry the baby to term. This is the ‘womans right to choose’ everyone talks about…she made her choice. She then asked her OB guy to find a good special needs Pediatrician that could assist in the delivery because sometimes these Downs babies have some problems. I am not an MD and I don’t know the problems involved. Perhaps you could contact those “MDs, here and nationwide” and maybe they would know. Be that as it may, she wanted to be sure that if there were any immediate problems during birth, someone with skill dealing with these problems would be around during the delivery.

Then she went to a ‘conference on energy’ in Texas, not sure when but around the 8th month of pregnancy. Risky but not impossible…remember I’m an expert. :wink: Anyway she gave a speech there and right afterward felt something. I don’t know if her water broke or other things happened but she somehow felt she was close to giving birth. So, she hops on the plane for Alaska instead of going to a local hospital and doctor in Texas. (I think you’re getting a clue here).

As I said my wife has had 6 pregnancies and 2 miscarriages. Sarah Palin had at least 4. I am not a woman, but my wife has told me that you just know things…especially if it is not your first. You know when to go to the hospital, you know when it’s a false contraction…YOU JUST KNOW.

Conclusion: Sarah Palin wanted to be where she felt comfortable. She did not want strangers dealing with this situation, so she went home. Sarah Palin is also a woman who believes in God. She probably felt any complications that might arise on the flight would be God’s will.

I swear, I don’t mind fighting ignorance; it’s stupidity that really gets me.

She recklessly put the baby’s life in jeopardy. Her personal comfort is not an exuse for that if she really gives a shit about life. I think she was trying to give herself a “fundy abortion.” Either that or she’s just a fucking moron.

How would someone point put the obvious hypocrisy in her position without reference to the daughter? Palin’s the one who put out the press release requesting respect for her daughter’s decision; that being the same ability to choose she that would wrest from anyone else.

Airman, please don’t explicitly point out that lissener is on your Ignore List.

-bolding mine.

Let us pro choice people be consistant. We are not talking about a baby but rather a fetus. And I do not agree she was reckless. i do agree that she was trying to give herself a fundy abortion and I respect her choice. From all I hear she’s quite self reliant. She doesn’t need a butcher for her meat, she doesn’t need a cook, and she doesn’t need a doctor to abort what’s in her uterus.

I found this the other day, kinda thought it was amusing: The Sarah Palin Pregnancy Decision Map.

Well, maybe this is how we move the ball forward: by the stances the right has to take when it happens to one on their side, or to someone they’d like to use as a weapon against libruls.

The evangelical right, excepting a few holdouts, finally shut up about the evils of rock n’ roll due to Amy Grant in the mid-1980s. (Yeah, I know - she was more light pop than rock, but the fundies at the time couldn’t draw such fine distinctions.)

The right finally decided sexual harassment was real due to Paula Jones in 1994. They were considerably more skeptical just three years earlier, during the Clarence Thomas hearings.

If, in 2008, the right has finally concluded due to Bristol Palin’s pregnancy that it’s wrong and counterproductive to dump on unwed teenage mothers and their parents, I’m all for it.

If, in 2008, the Rush Limbaughs of the world finally realize it’s a shitheel thing to do to ridicule people because they give their kids a bunch of funny names like Track, Trig, Willow, Piper, and Bristol, on account of Sarah Palin’s kids having names like that, then that’s a good thing.

People on the right should be able to put themselves in others’ shoes before those shoes belong to a member of their own tribe that, for whatever reasons, they can’t disown. But it seems that at least the more visible representatives of the right have a difficult time doing this, and in this they probably represent the bulk of the sentiment of those they represent. So stuff like this seems to be what it takes to get them to join the rest of us in a societal consensus on stuff where that consensus hasn’t previously existed.

If that’s what it takes, then what the hey.

I bet such a physician could have been found in either Dallas or Seattle. Just a hunch.

According to Palin, she found herself leaking amniotic fluid in the early hours of the morning of the day that she was speaking. And at the time, she was having contractions that she felt were distinctly different than earlier ‘false labor’ pains she’d experienced. She hasn’t said how close together the contractions were, but well before time to give the speech, they’d settled down to one or two an hour, so they were distinctly more frequent than that at first.

Anyway, by her own account, she believed she was going to give birth fairly imminently, which was her stated justification for getting on the plane back to Alaska: that’s where she wanted the boy to be born.

Well, hell yeah. She’s pro-life to the extent of opposing abortion in cases of rape and incest. But she was willing to play Russian roulette with her unborn child’s life, in order to bear the child in a comfortable environment if she was lucky enough to get him home alive to begin with. But her faith in God told her that it would be OK to do this.

Yeah, the stupidity gets me too.

Except in this case, Rall is clearly using hyperbole to make a point. He’s whooshing.