Invasion /=occupation
If they just blow shit up, wreck things and then leave, its not an occupation.
Before (and probably after) this invasion, I would probably call what is going on in gaza a ghettoization (if we can turn ghetto into an adjective).
You’re correct. It reveals that Israel gets singled out disproportionately for criticism.
Thanks for conceding the argument.
“Conceding”? How about “reinforcing”?
No, it’s not an open and shut case and yes there are people who defend the Turkish government.
Well, he seemed to be claiming that Israel doesn’t get unfairly singled out and that European countries which behaved in such a way would get blasted.
He seems to have reversed course.
I’m also amazed that he can’t even break down the argument you’re making that no one except Joan Peters believes.
Damuri, look up Yehoshua Porath’s review of From Time Immemorial, or do a five minute google search.
The entire international community considers Turkey’s occupation as illegal and Turkey is the only country in the world that recognizes the independence of the north.
Regardless, we aren’t all posting our outrage in GD about it is because it’s a 40 year old event and doesn’t remotely “prove” that Israel gets “singled out”.
Errrr… It’s still ongoing. Turkey also happens to be a NATO ally and as such is a closer ally to the US and the UK than to Israel.
Finally, Turkey actually invaded Cyprus rather than being attacked by Jordan.
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Originally Posted by Terr
“Conceding”? How about “reinforcing”?
D’oh!
Sorry, multitasking and poor reading while at work.
My bad.
We are still arguing here about the UN Partition Plan, which occurred in 1948. That’s 66 years ago.
The notion that the Israeli-Palestinian situation does not attract a disproprtionate share of attention is absurd. Just look at the UN. The UN spends a completely disproportionate amount of its time worried about Israel and the Palestinians.
Now, there are historical reasons for this - but it is nonetheless a fact: it doesn’t matter whether one happens to think Israel is a complete villian or not, nothing justifies the UN spending so very much of its time on that tiny country.
Err, they haven’t just killed a thousand people. Of course Turkey invaded because Greece sponsored a coup that was then supposed to hand over Cyprus to them. Which is also not what happened in Jordan. It’s like they are two totally different events! Neato!
Errr… Yes, that’s not what happened with Jordan. Jordan invaded Israel. Had Turkey been invaded been invaded, people would be far more sympathetic to them. Also Israel has withdrawn all their settlers from Gaza whereas the Turks have done the opposite.
You’re also correct that Turkey didn’t kill a thousand people in Northern Cyprus. That’s because they ethnically cleansed virtually all the Greeks from there in 1974.
Beyond that, if you think that Turkey wouldn’t have acted more aggressively than Israel had they been shelled by thousands of missiles you don’t know Turkey or the Turks.
Who cares? The Cyprus situation has been in a non-violent stalemate for many years. Start another thread if you want to see if we are all hypocrites for not blabbing about it.
Err… I’ve seen several threads on the Occupied territories prior to the recent engagements.
I’ve also seen many threads demanding Israel remove settlers from the occupied territories.
I’ve seen no such threads demanding Turkey remove it’s settlers and so far seen plenty of evidence to suggest most people aren’t even aware of it.
That’s certainly strong evidence supporting the idea that Israel gets singled out are correct and that those complaining about the media and the west are easy on Israel are making foolish, obviously false statements.
And I’m opposed to this and consider the occupation and annexation illegal and improper.
Shrug. What am I to do? I wrote a letter to the U.S. Secretary of State once.
(Heck, I don’t even know the official U.S. position on the matter.)
At least there isn’t cross-border artillery fire…
Could you stop saying “Errrr”? It’s obnoxious. Thanks.
Then there are probably debates going on. Surely, you aren’t saying that in order for me to care about one issue, I need to care about ALL issues?
Ok, I will when responding to you.
What do you think drives this singular obsession with Israel?
“Whataboutery” is a sure sign of an argument not really working out too well.
I wonder what the butcher’s bill is up to today?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/gaza-counter/
This clearly demonstrates the wanton discriminate terror of the missiles from Gaza, and also the surgical precision of the response from the IDF.
Violence makes the headlines. Every 2 years max some violence involving Israel happens. You can’t say that some other issue, that has had no violence in decades is equivalent and proves Israel is getting hated on. It’s just silly.