That is my point. And to fail to consider their case at all becaue they are “flawed” is racism in this instance.
Your opinion on this wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for that fact that Sharpton is not just a fraud, but he is so obviously a fraud.
Maybe so in your imaginary world where anytime a person disagrees with the opinions or actions of a person of different coloured skin it is because of rascism. I do not envy you your world; it sounds like a frightening place. But it is not this world.
No, you are getting your cases mixed up. I’ve no dog in the fight as to whether Ray acted alone or not, but there were numerous people that wanted King dead. Ray accused a man named Raoul. Here’s a cite to a site:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/04/23/national/main7900.shtml
Even though he had told the judge he understood the plea couldn’t be appealed, Ray began trying to take it back three days later. He claimed he was set up by a shadowy gun dealer he met in Montreal and knew only as Raoul, and said he was off changing a tire when the shooting happened. Authorities have never established any connection between Raoul and the slaying, and numerous courts said there was no evidence anyone else was involved. No one else was ever charged.
In a report in March, state prosecutors in Memphis said the person identified by Ray as Raoul existed but had nothing to do with the killing. His name was not released. Prosecutors said the man was in his home city working when King was shot.
The U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded in 1978 that Ray was the killer but a group of racial bigots in St. Louis, reportedly with a $50,000 bounty on King’s head, might have been involved, too.
By the way, it’s a tangent, but some choice quotes from the unfairly put upon Mr. Farrakhan. Cite
And lest we think his racism is only for Jews:
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Fuck you for defending him and fuck you sideways for claiming that those who object to his racism are themselves racist.
“in this instance”? No, it’s racism if you dismiss it because of the race of the person saying it. Dismissing it based on flaws is, well, dismissing it based on flaws. Different. I have to say it really sucks being a straight, white male in today’s society. When I’m taken to task on what I say I can’t just shout “Racism” and expect to be left alone.
We all make our own beds. Most of us, though, aren’t buying the bed with money made on pimping the poor.
I’m wondering what kind of thing could cause a man to assert the state attorney general masturbates to pictures of a raped and abused teenager.
You know, there’s all kinds of ugly back in these old news articles. Glad those other two advisors of Brawley’s got disbarred.
OK. You win. :smack:
So you think every single person here is a racist.
Did you miss the post for the few of us you don’t hate Rev Al and even respect Jesse? Or are we racist for thinking you are overreacting?
Do you consider yourself a liberal? Because if you do, duffer called you an anti-semite several times over the weekend.
I can’t say how much I love seeing these two race-baiting assholes go at each other in this thread. Haven’t had this much fun since the Southern Baptist Convention declared jihad on the Disney Corporation. No matter who wins the fight, there’s at least one deeply merited beating being handed out.
Heh. Sounds like his big fight for the betterment of blacks is to go up against the Hollywood Jewish Cabal? Over the roles given black actors and the content of popular black music? (read: Gansta Rap) Is he saying blacks aren’t talented enough to be more than minstrel actors these days? I must be losing my mind as apparently occupying my addled mind are names like Washington, Fishburn, Frreeman. Bunch of clowns dancing for the JewMan!
Funny how he makes no mention of increasing the doctors, physicists, biologists, chemists and engineers represented by blacks. Oh, wait. No it isn’t really funny as they are the one’s intelligent enough to see him for what he is and want nothing to do with him.
If he believes the Jews run all of Hollywood and are trying to keep the black man down by setting the stereotypes, what aren’t there any major stud superheroes named Shecky Goldblatt? Or David Greenberg?
Miller, I never made the connection. Though applying racism to a political stance is a bit of a stretch. But the overgeneralization in each case is valid. (Though I did later recant any implication of calling all lefties supporters. It was a knee-jerk habit, but not held throughout the thread.)
Asshole? I already know what you think of me. But race-baiting? Are you serious?
Anyway, back to the task at hand. I hope somebody braught a lunch. 
I’m not denying that Cosby is probably a good guy, and that he’s done a lot to help disadvantaged people, but he is definitely not threatening to the white establishment. He’s been given too many opportunities for that to be true.
I don’t consider his recent comments on race to be productive, or indicative of a man who is trying to start a movement. Bitching about kids stealing fictional pound cake, and beating their wives because they can’t find jobs. It’s insane ranting from a man showing signs of senility.
I know what he’s said about Jews, and I mentioned it in my post. Certainly not admirable, but nothing worse than the things many others have said in public, and behind closed doors. There are tons of people like Rehnquist Tom DeLay, or Rick Santorum, for example, that have said racist/homophobic things, yet you don’t hear people go into apoplectic fits whenever their names are mentioned.
The “victim culture” thing is just a right wing buzz word, most of which amount to nothing more than thinly veiled racism; much like, “the soft bigotry of low expectations” and “welfare queens”. What you may see as “victim culture” would more accurately be described as him trying to stand up for people he sees being victimized. You may disagree with his judgment, but these people want his help. As long as you call it “victim culture”, you are forgetting that many people are actually victims (or feel victimized). It’s a difference of perspectives. Sadly, I think the reason why many don’t value his perspective is because they are racists.
I assume you are talking about Cosby here. If you are, I think you should review his comments on this matter. It’s not wrong to say or intimate what you said, it is wrong/disingenuous to say what Cosby did.
Chris Rock was making a joke. Additionally, the joke was funny to black people for a different reason. Whereas many others saw it was reinforcing the validity of the dichotomy they’d drawn in their mind, most black people saw it as a repudiation of the other black people who embarrass hard working blacks. We, knowing that we will often be judged by our weakest members, find it funny that someone is calling them out. It’s voicing the frustration of law-abiding people who’ve been pulled over because they resemble some black guy who committed a crime. Black people who laugh at that joke are not embracing this dichotomy.
For example, in the past election, when almost every other Democrat was carrying Bush’s water, or being deliberately ambiguous about gay marriage and the war, Al Sharpton spoke out. If a guy like Michael Jordan, or Bill Cosby had an opinion, they certainly weren’t saying it. They weren’t willing to stick their necks out because it meant they would have to face judgment.
Which is, IMO, just as stupid. People aren’t good or bad exclusively.
Some of your cites are really biased. If you can’t understand that reasonable people can view the crown heights and Bernard Goetz incidents from a different perspective then yours, I’m not sure there’s much I can do to convince you.
I’ll defend Sharpton and definitely Rev Jesse.
But Farrakhan is an evil spewing waste of carbon. He is as bad as Pat Robertson and anyone else that spreads hate.
How do you defend this jerk and yet call others racist?
(This is aimed at Bob Loblaw)
Sorry for the hijack, but small world! My sister’s friend was Sharpton’s math teacher in HS. She didn’t say anything about his intelligence, but what she did remember was a 16 year-old snot-nose who insisted that she call him Reverend!
Lemme rephrase: I consider a well educated, yet still culturally black populace to be the only true threat to the white establishment. Cosby’s done as much as any one man can do to make this true.
Nope, man’s getting old and crotchety. But he’s done some great work.
There’s things he’s said that I consider beyond the pale. Especially where he said it, that he incited riots. But the masterbating quote isn’t pretty either.
R-Undead. Frothy mass of semen and excrement. Oh, yes, some people do. I’m not happy with DeLay or Santorum. (Rehnquist, I forgot about. Heard that one, but… I’ve seen worse with people of that era. Not going to call him a great man for it, but I’d need more recent.) Sharpton, though, I grew up watching and listening to his own words. And as recently as five years again, he hadn’t changed.
Welfare queens are a Reagan era myth. Damn straight. But the victim culture, I think, incorporates the gangsta culture. No way to get ahead by honest work, after all. And I’m not forgetting any of it. I’m saying that it’s a predator-prey thing, not a working relationship built on respect. See the difference? And if you can find a better term, I’ll use it. But I’ll tell you one thing. The ghetto devours its own young.
I’m not sure which specific joke Chris Rock was making, but the mass of them contain a core of painful truth. Damn right there are good folk, and there are shiftless lazy bastards. And I say Sharpton empowers the haters, the shiftless lazy bastards. And Cosby empowers the good folk. And damn right that people see all the worst from the outside. Again, you ain’t special, brickbacon. My people… and I hate to keep going back to this “two thousand years of segregation and oppression” thing, but we’re talking cultural values here… my people, we get hit by the same stick. Over. And over. And over a-fucking-gain. Protocols of the Elders of Zion, my brother (of another mother). That’s the damn lies we get stuck to us. You get the welfare queens in the caddies, we get the mother-loving Protocols. It’s the same damn showing of human nature. Live somewhere as long as nobody else wants it. Make it nice and tidy, they throw us out.
I’m not going to challenge that, because I can’t. I’m a Republican. I was pissed Kerry didn’t run on his strengths. The man broke Iran-Contra. The man broke the S&L. And you didn’t hear word one of it.
Al Gore spoke out, though. He spoke well.
Sharpton was surprisingly sane, as I recall, but, you know, nice words now don’t make up for what he’s said before. Obama, though, that’s a kid I can get behind.
Even Hitler loved the woman he made his wife. Of course people aren’t good or bad exclusively. But man, some people, you see it in their eyes, they’re rabid. (Al is not Hitler. Hitler is the most purely evil person I can think of, and thus a rational example for the comment on good versus evil. The source for Hitler loving Eva is The Fall of Berlin 1945 by an author I forget at the moment.) Maybe they’re not frothing now… but they will be again.
Oh, HELL yeah they’re biased. Most of them are from the pre-internet era, after all, so anyone who’d make a page would be… invested in the matter. I cite simply because they were the best I could do, feel free to countercite. I felt those were the most accurate citations on the subjects under discussion that I could find.
(I am not excusing Goetz at all. He probably was a racist little fuck. He was also an expression of the tension of the city of the time.)
I’m saying that Al made it worse for the greater glory of the Reverend Al. He shows a pattern. If Al were a…
Man, where I live, I was going to say, “If Al were a raccoon, I’d shoot it for being rabid.” That just was going to sound horrible, wasn’t it? If you want to get into who did what and to whom at any one point, we can dig down and analyze. I’m just pointing out a repeated pattern of behavior here, and even the Village Voice is calling him on it.
Let’s see where I messed up the quoting. (I got it right!)
brickbacon, if it helps, I foam at the mouth at the mention of Santorum. Stupid fucking little prick.
As long as you don’t foam at the mouth with Santorum…
Er, it’s not the mouth that’s supposed to get foamy…
This is a test.
Did you hear what Santorum said yesterday?
Okay Guinastasia, are you really foaming at the mouth?
Actually he might lose the next election. There is hope for us all. Casey is a strong candidate.