Alcohol and Antihistemines...

In the leaflet for some antihistemines I have (for itching) it says ‘as you know’ antihistemines are not to be taken with alcohol. (so I don’t when I am drinking) I wondered why so I googled this.

It turns out alcohol increases the drowsiness effect of antihistemines. If this is true, could I use this to my advantage and take the antihistemine and a bit of alcohol to help me sleep (as opposed to no antihistemine and more alcohol) Or are there other more serious reasons to not take the two together?

It struck me as a bit strange to warn about this. It’s almost as if they are saying “If you are going to drink and drive or drink and operate heavy machinery, don’t take antihistemines as well”

I wouldn’t worry about a normal dose of antihistemines with alcohol, as long it’s not 20 shots of bourbon or something. Not that I’ve ever taken them together or anything (wink) but the combination doesn’t make one that sleepy.

I’ll just step aside here before I am trampled upon by those with real medical knowledge. :slight_smile:

The word antihistemine needs to be shortened.

Couldn’t agree more. [sub](having typed it 6 times <phew>)[/sub]

I’m not a doctor, either, but my own experience and observation tells me this: Antihistamines work differently on different people, and even on the same person at different times.

The only at-fault accident I ever had was when I took just one antihistamine and NO alcohol. I wasn’t sleepy, but my reaction time was slowed up just enough so that I bumped into the car ahead of me. (Fortunately there were no injuries to people or to the massive Buick I hit, but my little VW bug was never the same again.)

Some people take antihists by themselves (no alcohol) to help them sleep; they’re the main ingredient in some sleeping pills.

I have also had the experience of certain ones making me unable to sleep.

If your question is would you die or have a hangover if you took the two together at bedtime, my WAG is probably not, but be sure you don’t have to get up in 6 hours and drive someplace.

Again, I’m NOT a doctor, and if you want a better answer, ask the druggist or a real doctor.

Certain antihistamines can suppress the breathing reflex. In normal doses, this is enough of an effect to be serious (unless you also have a breathing problems, hence cautions about asthmatics and emphysemics taking them). However, combining these with alcohol intensifies both the drowsy effects (which can be problem enough) and the breathing changes.

Although a little antihistamine and a little alcohol are unlikely to be long-term harmful or fatal, if you combine them the amount required to do real damage is much less than that required by each separately. Another part of the problem is the definition of “little”. For some people, two drinks is a lot. For others, a six pack is “just some”.

As a general rule, it’s not a good idea to mix the two. I do not recommend this. Nor am I a doctor, and none of this consitutues legal or moral advice. It is my opinion, your mileage may vary.

Depends if you are taking an older type of antihistamine, or a newer type.

The old type affects ALL histamine (type 1) receptors in the body, including the ones in the CNS, making you drowsy etc.

Newer types such as Loratidine (Clarityn) only affect the receptors in peripheral areas, and don’t affect those in the CNS. That’s why they are labelled non-drowsy.
Actually, there are several types of histamine receptors in the body, and thus several types of antihistamine drugs. H2 receptor antagonists such as ranitidine are used for stomach ulcers, and H3 receptor antagonists are used to prevent nausea.

And none of them are to be mixed with alcohol. Not a YMMV thing,
a “Just don’t do it” thing.

I’m sorry, what’s a YMMV?

More non-professional information:

I take two drinks and two of the pink antihistimines [can I use brand names here?] to get on a plane; I take one if I can’t get to sleep on a work-night, two if I can sleep until I wake up naturally (I usually need ten hours to wake up after two). If I break out in hives at work and need to take them, I leave work IMMEDIATELY to drive home.

I have no idea why people risk their freedom for illegal drugs, when there are antihistimines and non-drowsy sinus medication legal in every corner store.

YMMV = “Your Milage May Vary”

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Anyone who uses drugs to get to sleep on a chronic basis (incuding the drug ethanol) is going to find that they will quickly stop working unless the dose is increased, after which they will quickly stop working unless the dose is increased, after which…

But you get the idea.

Mixing any central nervous sytem depressant with another one (such as alcohol and antihistamines) is asking for trouble. They really don’t induce normal sleep anyway, just an obtundation which tends to be less than restful. And different types of depressant drugs work by different mechanisms, so combining them can have untoward and unpredictable effects.

Sorry, Broomstick but antihistamines are not known for respiratory suppression. Opiates, certain benzodiazepines, and chloral hydrate are. http://www.oma.org/pcomm/drugrpt/march98.htm

So, Lobsang you would be wise to continue avoiding mixing the two. Ask yourself, “what would Lu-Tze do if he couldn’t fall asleep”?

I will, of course, gracefully accept the correction in my knowledge by an actual MD. Truly, one does learn something new every day. Thank you, Qadgop.

Yes, you can call a Benadryl a Benadryl (assuming that’s what you’re referring to)

I have to ask why you feel compelled to drug yourself before boarding an airplane. I also feel compelled to mention that higher altitudes will magnify some of the effects of either alcohol or antihistamines (or other drugs, I’m told). If you insist on such self-medication you might want to try one of each and see if that does the job.

I’d also like to point out that various antihistamines as well as other substances used for allergies, stuffy noses, and the like can have effects beyond simply drowsiness. It is my understanding that antihistamines and decongestants are actually quite different compounds, but they are often used interchangeably by the general public.

Probably the commonest over-the-counter nonspecific antihistamines are also used as sedative diphenhydramine, chlorpheniramine and doxylamine. (often listed in the ingedients in salt form: diphenhydramine HCl, chlorpheniramine maleate, and doxylamine succinate)

Benadryl is Diphenhydramine, but the pink color is part of Benadryl’s brand identity. Other brands or generics seem to prefer a restful blue, though there’s no reason it couldn’t be made in other colors, and it is often sold in liquid form or packaged in capsules. Most people know its effects well. It is the ‘sleeping pill’ most commonly given in hospitals, where patients obviously have other medical issues, because it is considered fairly benign.

Of course, you’ve read the warnings, but you should also know that there are a few mild reversible effects that can occur after extended use. It can cause dry mouth, which may not bother you, but can cause or worsen tooth decay. Chronic users of various illicit drugs often suffer decreased salivation, and without saliva, oral bacteria can have a field day. If you’ve ever wondered what happened to Dick Sargent (the ‘first Darren’ on Bewitched) this was part of his problem. He hurt his back early in the show, got hooked on pain pills, and the last time his fellow cast members saw him (which may have been after the show) amn yof his his teeth were rotten or gone. (Obviously this takes months or years of continuous use to happen) Another unexpected problem can be difficulty or hesitation in urination, which generally reverses in 1-3 days after you stop using it. It should be considered by people with urinary tract infections, prostate problems, and other urinary issues. There are other issues as well, but as I said, most are reversible.

Chlorpheniramine (usually a green or yellow tablet) is generally more sedating, and some find it a more powerful antihistamine. Brompheniramine is a closely related cousin. It is often sold as a sleep aid, at a higher price, just few feet down the aisle from the cheaper allergy-labelled bottles. It’s actually pretty common for a drug labelled as a sleeping aid to be marked up 20-50% over the same drug/dose labeled for allergies. The same dosage, labelled for itching can be more expensive still. Go figure.

Doxylamine (often a small white tablet) is still more sedating, and is often marketed as an over-the-counter ‘ultra’ or extra-strength sleep aid. In fact, I don’t generally see it marketed as an single agent antihistamine at all anymore, so I’m not sure how effective it is. It was still used, the last time I checked, in some popular bedtime liquid cold medications.

Any of these can be combined with alcohol, to enhance the effects. I don’t recommend mixing drugs, but all of the above have been sold over the counter in commercial formulations that combine them with alcohol (that’s a deliberate part of the magic of, say, Nyquil Liquid) - so you get a clear idea how dangerous the drug manufacturers really think mixing antihistamines and alcohol is.

The problem is, of course, is that people tend to ingest more alcohol than they think they do, so self-mixing isn’t quite as benign.

This is not medical advice, because I do not believe that sufficient long-term studies have been done on its chronic use (besides, only an idiot gives medical advice with no medical history and exam), but melatonin has been the sleeping aid of choice among doctors, especially in the ER, and on weird call hours. For all my concerns about long term studies, I have long used it myself. Melatonin is one of the body’s own hormones for drowsiness – which in my mind is actually a primary cause for concern in chronic use, not a mark of automatic safety (You don’t go messing with your hormones). but for occassional use, it should be fine.

I recommend using a small dose - studies show that 200 micrograms (0.2 milligram) is plenty, but for some reason melatonin is usually sold as an unregulated 'health aid" at 15x that dose (3 mg). Personally, I buy the 3 mg tabs and divide them into eighths (I have pharmacist’s gadget that does that, but you can do the same with an X-acto knife and a little practice. For occassional use, it probably won’t matter, but for frequent use, I’d definitely either slice the tablets into eights (ca 375 micrograms) or shell out a little extra for the 200 mcg tablets (paradoxically, the lower dose is often more expensive)

50 mg of trazodone still has the same effect on me after taking it nightly for over four years… then again it’s an antidepressant, and not a benzo or one of the newer sleep aids that all begin with ‘z’: Ambien® (zolpidem), Imovane® (zopiclone), or Sonata® (zaleplon). (An inside joke among pharmaceutical marketing departments?)

That’s a joke, right?

Because I’m scared brainless.

(people with brains do NOT ‘self-medicate’ with different drugs with similar effects)

After a few close calls on airplanes, I chose to go with the “drink heavily before, during and after” plan. Works for me! :smiley:

Well, hell, I’ve probably had a good dozen “close calls” in airplanes, but the FAA gets real negative about a pilot drinking before getting in the cockpit so that option is out for me.

Yeah, I kind of guessed you were scared, I was just wondering why you were scared, or if it was anything particular.

And if it’s that stressful, there are probably better things to use out there than alcohol and antihistamines.

Yes, there are. They are called cigarettes. I never had any trouble getting on a plane when I could smoke.

I did not mean to imply that you and your colleagues are incompetant.

But you might be unlucky …

Frequently, it’s being competant that gets you past the bad luck…

Too bad about the no-smoking rule. I suppose you could charter a plane, by which arrangement you probably could find a pilot/company that would tolerate your smoking but I’d also guess booze is cheaper.