Alien: Earth

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Well, the high-quality containment systems are apparently not a W-Y monopoly. I can accept the kid being that stupid, but the system should have never made that possible. And then that idiot…[spoiler]face-hugging was too good for him![/spoiler]

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Prodigy has terrible security in general. Arthur should’ve been escorted back to his quarters to pack and await transport as soon as he was fired . Instead he was allowed to wander the facility unsupervised with all his access privileges intact . I’ve worked in call centers with stricter policies.

Which accords with Boy’s established character traits not at all.

Just another ‘stupidity is necessary to make the plot go’ contrivance.

This is an unfair knock on too many shows/movies. Have you seen real life? People do dumb things all the time.

Everyone who works around enclosed spaces is trained endlessly, don’t go in to help someone who collapses. Yet well-trained people die every year doing just that. Scientists get sloppy after months of the same experiment. People don’t think through the consequences of a lie they told.

People in the show absolutely do some really dumb things. But that doesn’t make it unrealistic.

Some of the dumb things make in universe sense? Employees are … disposables. Investing in training them for safety, thinking of them as a valuable resource, just doesn’t occur. Arthur rushing in is not inconsistent with how I’d think he’d think if he wasn’t explicitly trained otherwise and maybe even then.

Other stupidity makes less sense and is inconsistent with the character.

This, exactly. It makes sense for a bunch of space truckers completely out of their element to do dumb shit. It makes sense that over confident marines with untrained leadership would get in over their heads against a real serious threat. All the recent movies bar Romulus have people entirely in their element doing seriously dumb shit. Prometheus had scientists and colonists dying left and right BEFORE the aliens even show up.

Have we considered the possibility that the Alien franchise takes place within the Idiocracy universe?

Yes, and that’s a legitimate theme for fiction.

The problem occurs when the stupidity is unlikely and clearly exists only to move the plot forward. Examples from recent posts include ‘people acting contrary to their already-established character’ (without any mitigating factor established, such as ‘he’s exhausted’), and ‘people acting contrary to the jobs they’ve been established as holding’ (without mitigating factors established, such as ‘she’s the boss’s sister-in-law and otherwise unqualified for the job she holds.’)

To my mind it was utterly contrived and unbelievable that the scientists in Prometheus would treat an alien as fun and adorable and something to pet. Or that the colonists in Covenant would simply check the gaseous make-up of the planet’s atmosphere, and finding it breathable, assume there could be no microbes in that air that could harm them. These stupidities were ridiculous and silly. Bad writing.

In Alien: Earth, I’ll buy that Arthur wasn’t well-trained. Maybe it’s harder to buy that he lacks all common sense.

The thing about Arthur was that his job was never about “dangerous parasitic alien species.” That wasn’t something that was even supposed to happen on the island.

The dumb decisions don’t bother me, for the most part - a very significant, obvious theme of the entire season is the routine stupidity of ultra wealthy corporate leadership.

3.1415💩 is pretty close.

That was a fun episode.

I’m still not sure about Kirsh’s motivations. And the boy genius has gone over the top evil, if he wasn’t already.

That was some rapid chest bursting. No time to sit down for dinner for poor Arthur.

Agree it was fun.

Three ish questions. And I am hoping no need to spoiler after it has aired and it is clear the current ep is being discussed -

Which human is our evil not really such a genius wanting to have Ms Eyeball takeover in his eagerness to have an interesting conversation? Security putz or Dame Sylvia?

Are we to understand that Dame Sylvia is the biological mother of the body that supplied Curly’s mind? Or just that role

Is Joe just trying to save his friend or has he had the epiphany recognizing what a disaster Nibs and Wendy loose in the world, even without her beloved pet, would be? And that maybe Wendy is not really fully Marcy even if Marcy was the mind used as the template?

Joe? I don’t think the candidate has to evil and certainly not willing.

He did seem to have a bit of an epiphany when he saw Marcy’s grave. And talking to the xenomorph does make her seem kinda…alien.

I suspect Kirsh’s long game is more complicated than just capturing Yutani’s goons.

I am still worried that Kirsh is part of some kind of Synthetic revolution. Having all this just being a way to capture the WY troops seems too small.

Yeah I thought Wendy’s brother was clearly the guy Kavelier had in mind. People are just either consumers or products in this world.

I don’t know if this is a mini series or there are multiple seasons planned. If this is a mini series, next week has to end with this island being nuked or something doesn’t it?

Next week is the final episode?

Yes it’s the finale. Not sure if it is a season or series though.

It’s just the role she fills for the kids.

I agree. He said he doesn’t want a scientist, so it wouldn’t be Dame Sylvia.

I think it’s a little of A, a little of B. Plus he’s already wondering in the back of his mind if it’s really Marcy. No one thing changed his mind, it’s everything together.

There’s no official word on renewal, but the FX boss last year said, “we want [Noah Hawley] to focus on at least writing two seasons of it before returning to a possible sixth season of Fargo.” And when asked if he knows where a season 2 might go, Hawley recently said “I do. I mean, I think that I have a destination in mind story-wise, which allows me to know what the story is I’m telling, what it means. And I don’t know how long it takes to get there, but I do have a sense of where we go in success.”

This is the sort of thing I’ve argued for above a ways. Given that the two major themes in the Alien franchise so far have been a) Corporations Suck or b) Androids Despise (and Would Like to Eliminate) Humans, it seems likely that one of them will be guiding this show.

And I believe the current political climate would lead Hawley to soft-pedal the first and embrace the second.

Also: Timothy Olyphant signed on to do this show. It’s a fair bet that he wouldn’t have done so if all Kirsh was going to do was stand around looking enigmatic.

I hope not. It would be a very boring “twist” - better that he just doesn’t care one way or the other about humans. He has a different agenda completely.