First, a word about the genetics, of which I am quite familiar.
The Cohen Modal Haplotype of the Y chromosome is enriched obviously in Kohanim. It is also enriched in other groups, but that is a different story. The actual autosomal genetics of the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim are pretty close to their neighbors. The big distinguishing feature is limited gene pool size leading to allelic enrichment mostly by genetic drift. This is seen in the preponderance of genetic disease in both Ashkenazim and Sephardim. The most famous examples are in Ashkenazim – Tay Sachs and Gaucher Disease, as well as some clotting deficiencies and a whole host of other things. But it exists in Sephardim as well with a few thalassemias and a couple of other diseases. Amongst the non-Cohen Ashkenazim, there are not a lot of mtDNA or Y chromosome markers that would suggest an Asian descent, as you may expect from Khazaria. They look predominantly European in origin, similar to the Neolithic Europeans who colonized most of Europe and different from the Paleolithic and Neolithic waves who moved into Northern Asia. If I remember my Cavalli-Sforza correctly. What this shows is a bunch of interbreeding.
But few people are trying to argue the Jews are a genetically related group of people. I’m pretty sure no scientists are. Jews are related by a shared tradition, so it doesn’t really matter what their genetics are. And the tradition holds Israel holy. That is the founding force behind Zionism.
As far as I know, the British weren’t the ones trying to send the Jews to Madagascar – that was the Nazis. It was scuttled when they found a more convenient solution by “relocating” them to the East. If you can produce a cite for the British and Madagascar, that would be appreciated. Also a second for the Zionists collaborating with the Nazis.
Next, more of a rant.
mystic, you are just the latest of a series of people who I have encountered who talk and talk and talk about Evil Israel, while blindly turning your eye to anything else. You are just one step away from the ZOG and Protocols of Elders of Zion crowd, and that step grows increasingly skinny as one starts talking about the Mossad being behind 9/11 and the like.
You know it is all very well talking about the evils performed at the start of Israel. Sure, every group, every country has unfavorable aspects in their history, and even in their present. Your approach is to overlook or forgive all of the ones except those that occured in Israel. So of course Israel looks like the bad guy. It is the approach that you have used in all of your debates so far – there is only one side to the debate (your one) and all of the other arguments against it are just lies. So lots and lots of talk about the Irgun and the Stern Gang and Deir Yassin and Sabra and Shatilla and the USS Liberty, but of course nothing about the deportation of Jews from Arab countries, the massacres of Jews that occured before 1948 in Israel. Nothing about the PLO in Munich or or Tunis or Beirut or on the Achille Lauro. Nothing about surprise attacks on Israel in 1948 and 1973, or the events leading up to the 1967 war, even though those were a casus belli in every sense of the term.
Ya know, some of the early Zionists were kooks. Some unsavory policies of Zionism were kept around even until recently. But there is very little evidence of Israel recently acting expansionist. They gave back the buffer zone in Lebanon. Many Israelis want out of the territories even if it means acting unilaterally. I’m sure most would be glad to get out if they could be assured that they would not be invaded the day after they withdrew. I don’t agree with Sharon or the settlers. But any other country in a similar circumstance would have acted similarly. I honestly cannot say why Israel is such a lightning rod for ire.
I don’t understand what it means to be anti-Israel. Would you care to tell us? I am pro-Israeli in the same sense that I am pro-American, or pro-French or pro-Jordanian. Israel, the US, France, and Jordan are all countries with millions of citizens who aren’t going away. I am also pro-Palestinian in that I support the right of self-governance. But I can’t support the Palestinians over the Israelis. As you said, move your feet lose your seat. It cuts both ways. So please let us know what you mean by being anti-Israel but pro-Palestinian. Does this mean you would you support an Arab war of extermination against Israel?