What are you, a conspiracy theorist?
No bullshit here, fuckface…only the truth!
9-11 Hijackers still alive:
http://www.indymedia.no/news/2002/12/3934.php
3500 Civilians killed in Afghanistan:
http://www.commondreams.org/news2001/1210-01.htm
Cite that most americans just want to kill somebody in revenge? Well, just chalk that up to my incisive insight into american psychology. Sometimes, you don’t need cites, you just know it. It’s called intuition.
Any more questions? this is getting boring…you should pay me for all the history lessons I am teaching you…
I have no theological position. And you clearly have utterly no understanding of the Jewish concept of messiah.
mystic: Uh the hijackers are dead. Very dead. The people who had their identities stolen or who have names that are the same as the hijackers are still very alive. Even the FBI knows that some of the hijackers used stolen identities and aliases. From this 27th Sept 2001 press release naming the hijackers:
The reason why the FBI still uses those names for the hijackers (even though they were stolen from innocent people) is that they are trying to find witnesses who came into contact when with the witnesses when they were using these false names.
‘…came into contact with the witnesses…’
replace ‘witnesses’ with ‘hijackers’
Ah well, the truth is out. From your (ha, ha) cite, who perpetrated 9/11? Drum roll, please…
If that’s what you really think, why didn’t you come right out and say it? Not only are you a bigot of the lowest order, you’re also a chicken-shit. Color me surprised, bigots usually are.
Now go away.
Hardly more bizarre than believing that “economic interests” or “sugar and pineapple” are not actually persons who are creating and acting on situations. (And the persons acting to implement their economic desires were, in fact, 2d generation Hawaiian immigrants, backed, in two instances, by the power of the U.S. government.)
“Bizarro land”? Osama bin Laden was not connected to the WTC/Pentagon attacks? The attackers are still alive? The Jews created the attacks? The British wanted to ship all the Jews to Mauritius? Ashkenazim Jews are “really” Khazars? Sugar and pineapple economic interests are, somehow, able to act without any human intervention? Yep, bizzare.
[Black knight from The Holy Grail] It’s just a flesh wound!!![/Black knight from The Holy Grail]
Come to think of it, mystic deserves his own Monty Python character.
Tom, you are right. All of the research about ethnicity mentioned earlier in this thread is just for fun. No one really cares about that stuff, much less Israel, the Jewish state. Everyone has an equal shot at Israeli citizenship no matter who they are and Jewish ethnic ties won’t help you any. Israel welcomes everyone Tom .
Glad you cleared all of that up for me Tom. :rolleyes:
It seems that you really haven’t read the link that you posted.
From the link originally posted by Hank Fescue:
which followed
and preceded this explanatory remark:
The authors of that English commentary on laws written in Hebrew chose to use the word “ethnicity” despite their acknowledgemnt that it is not a proper translation of Le’om.
Not so much for fun as for the interest that many people have in history, anthropology, and human migrations. Given the tendency of various Jewish groups to maintain coherence through the years, they make a good target for people who wish to study migrations–regardless whether the researchers are Jewish or Gentile. It is, of course, probable that there would be considerably less interest if people such as the Nazi’s or the proponents of the Khazars=Ashkenazim errors did not, themselves, take quite so much interest in the subject. Such research is hardly a significant portion of the Israeli budget.
Tom , What is it about the mother / child relationship that eludes you? Israel grants citizenship based on who your mother is. Again, “Israel grants citizenship based on who your mother is”. That is a true statement Tom . It is not difficult to understand. Based on whether or not your mom was Jewish you may or may not be qualified for citizenship. That is a consideration based wholely on your blood line. I don’t refute that it is possible to acquire citizenship otherwise. Ethnicity is given preference though. Instead of playing the strawman game, could you address the issue of the mother / child relationship as it pertains to citizenship in Israel. If your mother is Jewish you are granted citizenship.
The definition of Jewish is quite arbitrary and swings wildly from case to case depending on who is controling the ministry at the time. At one point the ministry was declining to grant citizenship under law of return to children of mixed marriages. The ultra orthodox tend to be more concerned with ethnicity. At any rate, the policy leaves these matters to the sole discretion of the ministry and that is where the concern over ethnicity shows. When the more liberal are in power you might be Jewish enough, when the more conservative are in power, you might not.
(snip)
Tom , if you want to turn this into a debate of the meaning of ethnicity, I guesss you can.
From Meriam Webster:
Main Entry: eth·nic·i·ty
Pronunciation: eth-'ni-s&-tE
Function: noun
Date: 1950
: ethnic quality or affiliation
You want to get into the meaning of the word “affiliation”?
No it does not conform to the western notion of nationality. In fact, there is no such thing as “Israeli nationality”. You are either Jewish national or Arab national. If people born in Israel were all considered Israeli nationals they couldn’t rightfully discriminate against the Arabs. :eek:
I just think it’s very interesting to consider how OBL might lead the Jews to a new Kingdom and rebuild the Temple.
That’s what the Messiah’s supposed to do, right? I’m not sure how he’s going to pull it off, but… hm. No, no, not seeing it.
Hank, sorry, but you have very little idea of what you are talking about.
If, however, what you mean to show is that being an Arab in Israel somewhat sucks, I agree completely(well, unless we’re talking about 18-year old males, in which case being an Arab is a big advatage, because Arabs aren’t generally drafted)
Generally, yes, but not always. If you converted from Judaism, you’ll not be granted Israeli citizenship based on the law of return, your mother’s religious and ethnic affiliation notwithstanding.
If you converted to Judaism, you have the right of return, your ethnicity notwithstanding.
BTW, not only Jews have the right of return. You have the right of return if just one of your grandparents is Jewish.
**It would be reasonable to conclude that Israel’s immigration laws are based on cultural affiliation rather than ethnicity. **
The purpose of the law is another matter. Indeed, Israel wants ethnic Jews to immigrate to Israel. Indeed, Israel is a Jewish state. Is there anything wrong with it? Well, I dunno. Could be. I can only add that Israel’s by far not the only nation state.
True, but so what? The law of return takes care of all the cases with ethnicity. It’s true that the ulrta-orthodox dispute the
“Jewishness” of those who where converted by other streams, though.
And if your mother is an Irish Celt or a Japanese who converts to Judaism, and you have no drop of Semitic blood in your veins, you are still considered to be a Jew because it is a religious rule, not an ethnic one. Take a look at the Falashas, some time.
Interesting that you are willing to accept Ms. Weil’s statement that the word does not match “nationality,” but you are unwilling to accept her declaration that she has used the word “ethnicity” in a non-standard way. (And that you ignore her clear presentation that there are four, not two, “ethnic communities” (to use her term).)
As to discrimination against non-(religious)-Jews in Israel, I have not claimed that it is a society of full equality of treatment in practice. There are, indeed, examples of discrimination against Muslims and Christians. However, you have failed to substantiate, in any way, your claim that
since your entire argument is based on a too-literal interpretation of Ms. Weil’s explanation of “Right of Return” (in which you ignore her explanation that she is not using “ethnic” in the way that you have seized upon).
While the Uri Davis opinion which you quoted without attribution points up inequities in the practice of Israeli government, his personal gloss of the words ‘(namely, an “Arab”)’ is based on his perception of who is being harmed, and does not actually demonstrate that it is ethnic (as opposed to religious or political) discrimination that is occurring. Is there discrimination in Israel? Sure. The society is not perfect. The Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews have each made claims against the Ashkenazi political majority over the years and Arabs and Falashas (the immigrants from Beit Israel of Ethiopia), as well as other groups have also noted examples of active discrimination or neglect. However, the struggles for political power among different cultural groups within Israel still do not substantiate your claim that “ethnicity is of utmost importance to the state of Israel in determining its populace.”
I didn’t say the Jews perpetrated 9-11. You said it, so that makes you an anti-Semite.
As you will recall, the original argument was about whether or not the Hawaiian Kingdom was stolen at gunpoint, and I demonstrated that was indeed the case. You told me that claim was bogus, and I proved you wrong. Now you are basically agreeing with me in the above quote, when you admit that the revolution of the sugar/pineapple growers was backed by the power of the US government. Thanks for finally agreeing with me.
No, your rather stupid “cite” did. You’re even more chicken-shit than I thought was possible.
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You stated Osama didn’t perpetrate 9/11.
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When called on it, you posted said link.
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Your link says, DUH, the JEWS did it.
So you did say Jews were responsible for 9/11, but you’re not willing to admit it. Chicken-shit. Anyway, what is your issue with Jews?
Sorry, I can’t find in my cite where it says that the Jews did 9-11. Where exactly is it, and please post the paragraph where it says that.