All Things Ticketmaster

Though I haven’t tried to buy anything post-Covid, plenty of people say concert prices have gone way up, reflecting inflation and lost opportunities. People have been complaining about tickets costing thousands of dollars and Ticketmaster is getting much of the abuse, which was not previously insubstantial.

There have been threads on Ticketmaster before. They have raised questions like:

  1. Why do box offices use them?
  2. Why do artists put up with this?
  3. How is this not anti-trust?
  4. Why do they provide such excellent service?
  5. Can you decide anything is a variant of a service charge and just add it to the bill?

Has anything changed? Where is the industry disruption here?

Posts like this demonstrate that Ticketmaster’s business strategy continues to work exactly as they intend. Ticketmaster’s business is to be the scapegoat for high ticket prices. Artists mostly LOVE Ticketmaster because they (the artists) can reap the benefits of high ticket prices while the public believes that they (the artists) are humble, non-greedy folks while the evil Ticketmaster is solely to blame for high ticket prices. In reality Ticketmaster takes a surprisingly small portion of the ticket price while the artist and venue gets the lion’s share. Much of what is shown as a “Ticketmaster fee” on your ticket actually goes back to the venue and/or artist. Everyone involved, including Ticketmaster, wants you to believe that Ticketmaster is the bad guy. Ticketmaster is fine with that; that is the service they provide to the people who really make the money.

I read a great interview with an industry insider about this a few years ago but can’t locate it now. But here are few cites.

I haven’t gone to any shows in years where I have to go through Ticketmaster. There are plenty of small venues with friendly box offices, or festivals that you can pay as you enter. Even when I’ve had to book well in advance to get a decent seat, it’s been on the Montgomery Opera House (or wherever) web site.

And I don’t buy from scalpers. Especially big ones buying huge blocks of the best seats before the public has access to them… is that still done?

eta: I’ve had good luck buying off Craigslist an hour before the show. By then, Skipper and Luluann are getting pretty desperate to sell a ticket because Bernice left town with her boyfriend instead.

Oh, I have no doubt that artists and venues would not use Ticketmaster if they did not like it or truly found it offensive. Still, this hardly answers concerns about service and abusing monopoly power if in practice box office tickets are not attainable. Surely there must be some legal limit to what constitutes a service charge. “Extra for the mice, two percent for looking through the window twice…”

As a former ticket scalper (nearly 20 years ago) I can tell you TM is all kinds of corrupt. It seems like everybody is getting paid off in that company.

If Ticketmaster really wants to be the flakcatcher, they could change their name to Ticket Bastards. On second thought, after Game of Thrones maybe that lacks sting.

I’ve called them this for years, and if at all possible I go directly to the box office to buy tickets to avoid paying the ridiculous extra fees.

I thought live nation was supposed to get rid of ticketmaster ?

Heh, I used to work for Ticketmaster. I thought their fees were awful back then. Now that I don’t work for them, they seem reasonable. If I have any problem with their fees these days, it’s having a separate fee for a purchase and the individual tickets. A flat fee per ticket would be easier on the consumer.

Box offices and artists use them because they don’t want to go through the hassle of all the labor that’s necessary to make buying tickets convenient. I worked in Ticketmaster’s call center, and I can’t imagine any band or venue wanting to run their own call center for selling tickets. It’s somewhat easier in the modern day to replace most of the call center’s duties with a website, but most venues aren’t really great at running their own websites, and it’s still probably cheaper to contract with Ticketmaster.

I was stunned yesterday when I saw somebody online talking about how they wanted to go to a concert by a favorite band but decided they couldn’t due to the ticket price - which they said was five hundred dollars! I checked and if anything, they were underestimating the cost. The price per ticket started at $590 and rose to $2439.

I haven’t been to a concert in years and I had no idea ticket prices had risen to these astronomical levels.

I’m no expert. But I’d be surprised if the excess money is going to the artists. The common practice in the entertainment industry is for the majority to the profits to go to the label with the artist only receiving a small percentage.

Ticket Master can claim innocence all they want but when they charge me a $10 “convenience fee” per ticket because I want my tickets emailed and not mailed via post, that’s total scum bag behavior.

This is an unofficial invoice for demonstrative purposes only.

Ticket:
Savage Melons: The Romance of Baffin Island
Cost $395 (general seating)

Convenience Fee $12
Suggested Covid Donation $20
Processing Surcharge $10
Delivery Addendum $12
Ukraine Commitment Fund $5
Handling Costs $8
Canada First Duties $18
Seating Confirmation Fee $12
Performance Levy $18
Satisfaction Charges $12
Contentment Fees (including some taxes) $10
Venue VIP Required Donatives $14
Gasoline Surcharge $20
Artist Appreciation Mandatory Assessment $10
Happy Thoughts Giftings $10
Gimme, Gimme, Gimme Fund $10
Refreshing Slush Moneys $10
Service Fees $10
Priority Supersonic ™ Shipping $10
You saved $100 on shipping fees as part of our Valued Customer Initiative!

Total $625
Taxes (at 13%) $81.25
Requested ImperialService ™ Royalty $23.75
First Subtotal $730

Thank you for using Ticket Bastards. Your satisfaction is our highest priority!

No shortage of memes about Ticket master. My wife found this one the other day.

What? No Happy Thoughts Giftings?

(My thing was original, I was unaware there were similar memes, but this is not surprising).

When I started going to concerts, the standard ticket price was $6.50.*

I remember we were all outraged when it jumped up to $9.50.

mmm

(*I know, I know… “tell us another one, grandpa!”)

Old thread revived.
I just purchased from Ticketmaster. I haven’t bought tickets from them for several years. I don’t recall ever having bought through them and having things go real smooth. Against my own judgement I moved forward.

It actually wasn’t bad. My old account was still available, however I was prompted to make a new password. Fair enough.
Choice of credit card to Ticketmaster or PayPal. I went with PayPal - what I considered the lesser of 2 evils.

The problems started with the actual receipt of my tickets. I’m pretty sure it must have said ‘Mobile’ but it never occurred to me what that entailed. I’ve always bought tickets and either downloaded & printed them on my home printer or had them sent to me by mail. Last time was about 2 months ago so we’re not talking dark ages here.
Nope. The choice was to receive them on your mobile (smart) phone. Period.
I don’t want them on my phone, I want tickets in hand. You know, the tickets I just paid for.
Incidentally, if you don’t have a smart phone. Well, too bad. No tickets for you.
There is an option to have your bought tickets transferred to a 3rd party. Perhaps a friend.
WTF!!

“Excuse me friend. Would you mind if I have concert tickets sent to your phone. Why no, you’re not invited. I only want you to hold my tickets on your phone because you see, I don’t own a phone.
Oh and by the way. I’ll need to borrow your phone the day of the concert because your phone holds my tickets and there’s no way to move them from your phone. Hope you don’t mind that I’ll be leaving you without a phone for the night. I’ll also have access to all your files & contacts. Hope you don’t have an emergency.”

There was no prior warning about this mobile business. As a matter of fact I had to receive a confirmation code to login to my account. That came via land line. So I wasn’t aware a mobile was compulsory, other than: Delivery Method: Mobile. But that wasn’t until money had changed hands.
I confess I paid little attention because it had never come up before and to me it was incomprehensible that I wouldn’t be able to download tickets to my desktop.

I still wanted tickets in hand so I contact. There is one way to reach out to Ticketmaster and that is through a virtual assistant bot. Nothing quite says we could give a rats ass about your question or your problem like a virtual assistant bot. They have never helped anyone.
After a series of questions (with the bot) I was informed an agent would contact me via email. It’s been 5 days. It isn’t going to happen. So much for Ticketmaster customer service. It wasn’t unexpected.

Yesterday I realized I should cave and receive tickets on my smart phone, or quite likely, be out the money I paid for them.
It wasn’t easy.

Step 1, login to Ticketmaster using my phone. No. Doesn’t work. I rarely use my phone for web related because I have a 27" desktop screen so, why would I.
Step 2, I download the Ticketmaster app, which I don’t want but figure I have no choice. Still doesn’t work.
Step 3, I’m using Firefox Focus browser because I try to avoid anything Google where possible (tracking spyware). I came to realize I had no choice but to use Chrome (Google).
Step 4, Ticketmaster works with Chrome. Clearly some collusion there. Ticketmaster app works with Chrome as well and I manage to download tickets.
Step 5, Where the f**k are my tickets?
Step 6, Turns out I need to download & install Google Wallet. Another app I don’t want.
I now have tickets.
For those wondering, it appears impossible to move the tickets to anywhere - they must remain in Google Wallet. You can’t print them.

As far as I can tell come concert time, I show up with phone in hand and hope for availability of free wi-fi in order to log into Google to make Wallet available. It’s that or use data I suppose. Tough luck to those that don’t have data on their phones. And yes, the only time I ever log into Google (Google Play) is when I want to update what apps I use. Primarily a mindless game. I have little use for the phone otherwise. I mostly use it for it’s intended purpose (contacts) to stay in touch if I’m overseas or somewhere vacationing.

I find it reprehensible that Ticketmaster wouldn’t make tickets more accessible. I’m sure they will blame the venue. Maybe partially legit, but I don’t buy it. Ticketmaster holds too much sway.
Artists that have some degree of power should step up.
I’ve already removed the Ticketmaster app and Chrome from my phone. Looks like I’ll have to hang on to Google Wallet until concert time. After that it’s history. I have no intention of ever tying my credit info to it.
I’ll never deal with Ticketmaster again. Wonder if the promised support agent will ever reach out to me. I doubt it.

PS/ Now that I’ve gone through this, and to be fair, if I had to do it again things would go more smoothly. I’d know what to expect and what was required. Still; the entire experience was distasteful and took far longer than it should have. One shouldn’t be required to jump through hoops in order simply to secure concert tickets. The process loads your phone with spyware in the form of the Ticketmaster app and well, anything Google related is spyware. I know many don’t seem to consider being tracked & categorized a problem. I do.
For me, there won’t be a next time.

Something else that crossed my mind is with the entire crowd having to access the concert venue by way of smart phone tickets it guarantees a sea of idiots disrupting the concert with phone lights, cameras and just generally waving phones about and in the way of those who actually came for the concert.

Yet they pay the outrageous prices that they are complaining about, which is why Ticketmaster keeps slowly increasing them. Consumers have awesome power IF they can act in unison which, unfortunately, is something that seems to be very difficult for them.

They could do a screenshot of the ticket, save it as a jpeg, and send it to you.

The tickets are on my phone now. I was pointing out problems should one not own a phone. Those people exist. It shouldn’t be assumed by these corporations that everyone on the planet owns a smart phone along with associated subscriptions (data etc).
I had thought screen shots and was going to see if a screen shot was possible using Google Wallet. I’m also not sure if it would be acceptable at the venue. It’s possible I guess if you got the bar code in the shot.
Have you done it?

IF you raise enough of a stink. And IF you manage to get hold of an agent, I think it’s possible to take your receipt to the box office and have to jump through yet more hoops while they consider whether to allow you in or not. It’s just not right.