Almost everyone is a right-winger (when it comes to dating and relationships)

This is going to be a very long post, so you can scroll down to the TL;DR version at the bottom if you’d like to skip most of it.
(Right off the bat, I would like to point out that “right-winger” isn’t the best term, but I can’t think of a more suitable term at the moment to describe views that are typically associated with political conservatism.)

There is a remarkable phenomenon, which is that almost everyone - be they liberal or conservative in other political views - is a conservative when it comes to the area of dating and relationships - specifically, *whom *you want to date or don’t want to date.

In this thread, I am referring, of course, to societies in which people have free choice as to whom they want to date or marry. In societies where arranged or forced marriages are the norm, personal choice obviously does not mean much.

I will have to say - repeatedly - that, in this thread, I am not arguing as to whether this trait is a good or bad thing - but rather, that I am just describing it as it is.

Society at large encompasses people of numerous backgrounds and political views, but when it comes to dating and relationships, most people in society are almost unanimously of the following opinions:

**No entitlement **- the general consensus is that “Nobody is entitled to a boyfriend or girlfriend.” And if someone argues that he or she is deserving of a significant other, that won’t benefit their romantic prospects one bit. In fact, nothing seems to kill attractiveness as much as someone arguing that they are not getting what they deserve in the dating/romance field.

**Discrimination is fair game **- when it comes to preference in dating and relationships, almost everyone discriminates on the basis of multiple factors, such as race, age, appearance, disability, wealth, height, personality, intelligence, weight, etc. Many discriminate very blatantly and openly.

Even many liberals argue that dating preferences on the basis of race either 1) is not racism, or 2) is permissible discrimination. Now, there are some who argue against this discrimination - this articleis a prime example - but by and large, most people, be they liberal or conservative, think racial preferences in dating are OK. If someone doesn’t want to date a cripple in a wheelchair, that isn’t considered ableism either.

What society objects to is oftentimes how loudly, or how, someone expresses their views. If someone says, “I refuse to date black people,” he or she might get called racist, but if someone says, “I have a preference for this or that particular race,” then society considers that fine.

**Haves vs. have-nots **- Social Darwinism is very strongly present in the arena of dating and relationships. Oftentimes, those who are attractive, only draw even more people, which increases their attractiveness further yet, and those who are unattractive, only repel even more people, which makes them even less attractive. Dating and relationships is really, oftentimes, a situation where the good get better and the bad get worse. In other words, it becomes a situation of “haves” vs. “have-nots.”

(Note: Not all right-wingers are Social Darwinists, and not all Social Darwinists are right-wingers, but there is definitely a lot of overlap.)

(Again: I am not saying that this is good or bad. I am simply describing it as it is.)

Inequality - This is closely related to the point above. Many people, even those who normally preach the virtues of “equality” and the evils of “inequality” - are very comfortable with, or even promote, a society in which some people are considered highly attractive and some people are considered highly unattractive. Inequality in this regard is not considered to be a problem in the way that income inequality or other forms of inequality would be.

No affirmative action - there is little affirmative action in dating and relationships - although some people might date others out of “pity,” but most do not - and most would certainly never advise or suggest that people ought to date people because they are hard-off or have little dating success.

(Again: I am not saying that this is good or bad. I am simply describing it as it is.)

Now, if you take those aforementioned attributes and applied it to any other issue in society - namely, no one is entitled, discrimination is fair game, no affirmative action, Social Darwinism, persistent inequality - you’d have a political platform from some dystopic right-wing party.

Why is this? I suggest that this is the case because people are less and less willing to practice affirmative action the closer and closer it hits to home, and the more painful the price is. By that, I mean that many people are willing to practice low-cost “affirmative action” - i.e., pay higher taxes, allow people of other races to have more of an advantage in admissions, etc. - but when it comes to dating and marriage, that is too high a personal price to pay.

In the same way that many people think there ought to be more homeless shelters built, but draw the line at personally housing a homeless person as a guest in their own home, many people also would never marry or date someone who is unattractive or of low quality because they “deserve” a mate - because that would come at extremely high personal cost to oneself.

There’s a thin line between what society can demand of someone and what society cannot - society can demand that employers not discriminate in employment, but you can’t mandate that anyone do anything in regards to dating preferences.

Interestingly enough, most of these things would be considered offensive in the context of friendship - if someone said, “I don’t want to befriend Hispanic people and you can’t make me sit next to a Hispanic person,” that person would probably be called racist, but someone who prefers not to date Hispanic people probably wouldn’t face that same type of criticism. Someone who didn’t want to be befriend someone who is a cripple, or short, or fat, etc. might be criticized in a way that they would not if it were about dating and not friendship - again, dating an “unattractive” person represents greater personal cost than befriending an “unattractive” person. The typical one-size-fits-all answer is, “The heart wants what the heart wants.”

(Again: I am not saying that this is good or bad. I am simply describing it as it is.)

**TL;DR: ** Most people adopt a politically right-wing approach to dating and relationships - namely, that “All’s fair in love and war.”

It applies to almost everything. Most people don’t apply their principles to themselves.

You’re not entirely wrong but I think it’s not quite like this. People discriminate in other areas too: they don’t want to hire uneducated people (for most jobs), be friends with flakes or have homeless people sleep on the street across from their house.

And I do think people who say they don’t want to date or are not attracted to a certain race are at least somewhat racist. Yes, it could be that you find certain features unattractive. But you haven’t met all people from a given race. So disqualifying them all is an overgeneralization, and the need to go out and say that you do makes it worse.

If you wanted to argue with similar reasoning, you could say that everyone is a left-winger when it comes to family. There’s an expectation that parents will treat their children equally, providing the same opportunities for success, exacting similar justice, and sharing the wealth. Parents who allow their kids to sink or swim all on their own, without providing any safety net, are usually considered abusive and neglectful. Parents aren’t supposed to just provide the very basics of survival. Most people expect them to provide a nurturing environment that promotes happiness and well-being. So yeah, we’re all commie pinko libruls.

I guess this argument makes sense. But it only points out the obvious. “Society”, in most people’s minds, is something totally different from “family” or “individual”.

Not just family, but friends, too. I mean, if you pick up the tab, doesn’t that make you a communist?

Clearly we move in different crowds! The great majority of people I know, rather firmly believe in things like fidelity, monagamy, loyalty and standing by their oath. They are willingly to forgive those that stray, their missteps, but none of them seem to think or live, “All’s fair…”

Political left/right don’t apply to things like personal and intimate decisions with regards to romance.

Politics is about politics – public policy, law, government, etc. It’s not about personal individual decision making that is unaffected by public policy and law. It doesn’t make sense to apply the term to dating.

You’ll have a lot more dating success if you spend your time on improving yourself, especially social skills, than if you write long rants about how unfair the dating market is with a thinly veiled appeal for some kind of pity fuck as ‘affirmative action’. There are a lot of guys who are not alone even though they are short, fat, balding, obnoxious, broke, or some combination of the above, you don’t have to be conventionally attractive or rich to succeed at forming relationships or just having sex.

How to succeed at dating, for any straight male who’s not an awful person, terribly and stubbornly strange, morbidly obese, or severely disfigured (and sometimes even for folks with some of these characteristics):

  1. Post on big dating sites, whether free ones like Craigslist or paying ones like Match.com; post a nice picture (make an effort on a good pic) and list your interests and characteristics in a straight forward manner (i.e. I work in engineering, I have a roommate, I live in neighborhood X, I like these movies/books/TV shows/musicians, love to laugh/travel/dine out/stay in/go to shows/etc., religious preference, drinking/smoking/drug preferences, looking for a kind, funny, adventurous, intelligent (or insert your own characteristics) woman for a casual/serious relationship).

  2. Send multiple messages per day to other posters, saying what you liked about their profile and what you think you have in common – end with “if you like, I’d be happy to give you my phone number/Skype-ID/equivalent and we could talk sometime”. DO NOT PUT MUCH EMOTIONAL EFFORT ON ANY ONE PROFILE AT FIRST. Most will not be interested in you – you must accept this in order to not be demoralized.

  3. When you get responses (and you will get some, though most of your messages will not be responded to) be kind and respectful and curious and try to move from email conversations and texts to phone conversations; then from phone conversations to an actual date. MEET IN A PUBLIC PLACE LIKE A MALL – then go to a restaurant, movie, for a walk, etc.

  4. Continue to be nice, honest, and respectful. Not all dates will go great, but eventually one of them will. It might take months (or even longer, sometimes). Just be patient and don’t lose hope. If it’s not happening, then you might not be behaving nicely, or respectfully, or honestly, and you might need to take a long look at yourself.

I just read the TL’DR: version (whatever that means), which gave no more information than the title, but I did glance at some of the replies.

In my opinion, a marriage can become very long and cold, if the two parties do not have some commonality of culotural upbringing. As one might say, never marry a partner that you can’t play Trivial Pursuit with. A sense of humor is essential to a relationship, and humor is very culturally driven. It is the shared memes that underlie humor, which you can fall back on when times are trying.

For this reason, I would hesitate to marry someone who did not share my own cultural background. And I have a well-thought out reason for doing so. I never associated “well-thought-out” with “right wing”, but if you think it is, then so be it.

Otherwise known as NIMBY.

Dating isn’t politics. Political opinions aren’t about dating.

The end.

You’re trying to conflate the political and social manners required by law and polite society with the innate sexual and mating preferences of our brains. It’s apples and oranges.

I’m politically progressive and believe people should live the lifestyle that pleases them so long as no one is abused, but I’m intolerant and aggressively judgmental if my adult kids use sloppy language. I’ll give hundreds to the poor via my Rotary contributions but I will not give a dime to people hanging at intersections with cardboard signs begging for cash.

To the extent that relationships are based on sexual attraction, we generally cannot consciously choose who we are sexually attracted to, and to fake sexual attraction for idealistic reasons based on some sense of social justice is surely misguided. I see no problem at all with somebody saying “I generally find black women sexually attractive, but not Asian women”. That’s no more racism than saying you like redheads. And it’s quite different from saying that you never want to be friends with people of a certain race.

As for the rest, I’m not so convinced that people’s interpersonal attitudes are inconsistent with their political views. Almost all countries now have variations on the only political system that seems to work: a capitalist system, i.e. one where people are locally motivated to work hard and be productive by self-interest (this is what you are seeing as looking “right wing”); but incorporating legal/social checks and balances in areas where market forces do not produce desirable results, and large-scale government-run social programs funded by taxation. Nothing in such a political system indicates that I should personally be running my own social program among the people that I meet day to day. In fact, I think they might find it rather patronizing if I tried to do so. The relevant part of the social contract is that I pay taxes to the government to run social programs (the stuff you see as “left wing”) more efficiently and fairly on a large scale at the town/state/national level for whoever is in most need.

“I do not think that word means what you think it means.”

wasn’t it the “leftists” who actually made it possible for interracial, interreligious, and differently-gendered couples to hook up, have relationships, and even get married?

Nah, liberals have an abortion way before it comes to all that stuff. :slight_smile:

Right. The whole premise is pointless. It’s like saying baseball players are all criminals because they steal bases.

I can verify that this is true. I am short, chunky, bald, not wealthy but have never had a problem with dating or relationships.

No, it wasn’t. The “leftists” made it possible for people to to these things out in the open. People have been having gay sex, interethnic sex, and interreligious sex since forever. They just had to hide it.

We’re all familiar with religious figures who condemn gay sex from the pulpit, and seek it out in private. Many of us know it was routine in the Jim Crow South for wealthy white men to have black mistresses. There were a number of leading Southern politicians who spend their days condemning race mixing and their nights practicing it. Strom Thurmond wasn’t the only one by a long shot.

If you’ve been around even a little bit, you’ve known people who will have sex with people of a certain physical appearance, or a certain religious or ethnic or socioeconomic background, but will refuse to be seen with these people in public. “I would never do that!” they tell their family members, friends, coworkers, neighbors, church members. Then, when no one’s looking, they go and they do that.

That’s why the OP is silly. He takes a naive view of the sexual marketplace.