A few years ago, on a Sally/Oprah/Donahue type show, there was a woman who had created an alternative to Alcoholics Anonymous. Rather then condemning all Alcohol use, it tried to teach control (and failing that, then suggested AA.) By chance, do any dopers know the name of the program, or one similar?
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I do remember.
It was Moderation Management, which teaches people to reduce their alcohol intake.
Its founder, Audrey Kishline, was involved in a fatal DUI that resulted in prison time after founding the organization.
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There are also hyptnosis methods that may be able to make a person ‘disinterested’ in alcohol, so they can have a drink every now and then, but it really is no big deal, so they don’t keep drinking. As anything, I don’t suspect it works for everyone.
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is what I got
“Rational Recovery” is another AA alternative.
Secular organizations for Sobriety or SOS is out there too.
I tried a few of those meetings, they weren’t for me. But it seems to work for some.
I’ll stick with AA myself.
Many churches also offer what they consider to be “treament” programs. I have no experience with them, though.
Pushin’ 15.5 years of sobriety here. I HATED with a passion going to AA meetings. But since I took the route of live-in recovery, it was pretty impossible to avoid.
I am aware of other programs that perhaps don’t push the “higher power” as much as AA. Even though a higher power could be, to you, a rock. I guess they accomodate the non-Christian population. To be honest, as a person who now borders on atheism, praying to God really did seem to help. My prayers would thank Him for the sober day and pray that His will was for me to continue. Ever so often I catch myself reciting this prayer still, and, all said, it sure can’t HURT.
I absolutely positively don’t believe in moderation for a true alcoholic. Old saying goes “One’s too many and 1000 are not enough”. If there’s a program pushing moderation or behavior modification to “cure” alcoholism, well, shame on them. I would LOVE to be able to drink like a normal person, seems like a lot of yummy drinks have been invented in that last 15 years. I know though, without a doubt, that one drink would cause me to be hiding fifths in less than a month. No thanks!
It took me no fewer than 4 stints at in-house recovery. I believe that the point there was to remove you completely from your familiar surroundings and people. In two of the four I was to complete the twelve steps. Not so easy if you have to sit down and think of ways to complete these tasks. Making amends is particularly difficult.
I think they should have live-in recovery for smokers. Sometimes I think that’s probably the only way I might really quit smoking. It’s a bit degrading while living it, but I hope whole-heartedly that Horizon House & AA were the final stop for me.
Amen. I could not have said it any better than this. I agree 100%
Yeah. It turns out that is very true for a great many of us even if we don’t want to believe it in the beginning and have to find out the hard way. I think that most drinkers in trouble want to believe they can moderate. I don’t really know what percentage are eventually able to do this but I have only know one out of hundreds that was successful
This is an interesting site which is very anti-AA.
There is also an organization called “alcoholics victorious” which is a Christian-based organization. In the past, what I’ve read by them has been quite anti-AA, mainly on the basis that AA does not make Jesus the centerpiece of their program and is far too influenced by other religions, including humanism.
In their current website (http://av.iugm.org/) they seem less anti-AA these days.
I’m not sure what your site has to do with the OP or discussion here, dalej42.
Well, it’s probably keeping Agent Orange too busy to drink…
I had an uncle who quit alcohol by going through an aversion therapy program. He was in it for a couple of extremely uncomfortable weeks. After that he never drank again.
For each patient, the program would determine the setting in which the person did most of his or her drinking. For my uncle it was bars. They would put the person in that setting and serve alcohol laced with a drug that would make the person sick. My uncle vomited enough that it threw off his electrolyte balance, and they had to hospitalize him. After the program he said just the smell of alcohol made him feel ill.
The program didn’t have to be as severe as that. My uncle was directed into the program after he got into a car wreck while he was driving drunk. He was arrested, and his lawyer advised him to get into a program and get clean before his court date. He had a choice of a four-week program or a two-week intensive program. He chose the two-week program because he wanted to get it over with as quickly as possible. The four-week program probably would have been easier on him.
The program also included some talk therapy that encouraged him to face up to the damage that alcohol was doing to him and the people around him. He talked about this quite a bit for a while after coming out of the program.
The earlier discussion was leaning towards witnessing towards AA. I provided one anti-AA website.
I did suggest that this be moved to GD.