…how the fuck has she done any harm?
It isn’t our job to show you that she hasn’t done any harm. Its your job to show us that she has caused harm.
Who has she hurt? She took part in a photoshoot. How the hell does that hurt anybody?
Don’t give yourself credit you don’t deserve.
You did not light off a shitstorm. There’s no debate here because everyone else can see you are missing the point.
You need to get past the outdated Madonna/Whore view of women.
Because you’re engaging in benevolent sexism. You may see yourself as being protective of women and our sexuality, but what you’re really doing is patronizing by assuming we can’t make our own good decisions. You don’t see her decision as a good one. She does and doesn’t need your protection.
So this is just advertising for the new Olympic Gymnast Post-It Notes?
So what was the harm?
That men might think that women are sexual?
We already knew that. And it’s OK for men to think that women can be sexual.
What’s not OK is thinking that because a woman is a sexual person that it’s therefore OK to rape her, or abuse her, or humiliate her, or attack her, or molest her, or harass her, or insult her.
If a woman cheapens herself, does that mean she’s worth less? If so, to whom?
Okay, but what harm has she caused? Isn’t society better off if women can feel comfortable wearing anything, with the knowledge that society demands that men treat women with respect, all the time, no matter what they wear? If that’s the goal, then these kinds of choices (when women make them publicly and without fear) can only help, even if only by a tiny bit.
Good start, but to complete your Hypocrite Bingo card, you need to fill out “I was trying to start a dialogue” and “I’m sorry you misunderstood my intent”.
I mean, it’s your thread, man. Make an argument. So far all you’ve done is assert without evidence.
Your opinion is rooted in the idea that the main thing a woman - any woman - has to offer is her appearance. Thus, if she “gives that away” by posing nude, she has devalued herself because why would anyone care about Aly Raisman if you’ve already seen her ass? This is a you problem, not a her problem, because most men can cheerfully acknowledge that she looks great in those photos, and that in addition to that she is a complex person whose sexuality is only a tiny tiny tiny part of her identity. You are attempting to reduce her entirely to her sexuality and then argue that by exposing it, she’s obliterating her own value.
Look: do you actually believe that there is some asshole doctor out there who would not have sexually assaulted his teenage patients, except he saw a photo of 23 year old Aly Raisman kinda nude and so he just had to? I’m sure you do not believe this, but the mechanism by which you’re imagining harm is not clear.
If your argument is that men who have already bought into the idea that a woman who is sexual cannot be valuable in other ways will now view Aly Raisman as cheapened, you’re probably right (you’re definitely right, since you are one of them). But the thing you’re not understanding is that the problem is with those men, not with Raisman, and they/you, not she, need to adjust your perspective.
I’m honestly struggle to parse this: are you saying that women in photographs have a responsibility to make a statement about the sanctity of womanhood?
It’s her responsibility not to inflame male lust? Are we still doing that?
Shit, I’m way too late to this party, pointing out what a shit person you are for your madonna/whore bullshit, or for your benevolent sexism feels a little pile-on-ish. So I’m calling you out for pervert shaming.
There is nothing stupid about my fantasies or the perverted shit I do. I’m a proud pervert, and if you don’t like that, you are more than welcome to keep shoving my dildos up your ass until they come out your mouth like a pez dispenser.
Do you go on a ‘date rich women’ website and pick up Rich Jewish heiresses, or Blond Russian Poker players?
I don’t think this is gonna end well for yet another misogynist pig spouting off his perverted views, with his tongue lolling out at the 8 year old gymnasts he sees at the local gym.
You, Sir disgust me!
Back to the OP’s thread-thesis misadventure, part of it seems to call up the notion that there is one “right” way to be a survivor/victim, and you somehow do a disservice to others if you do it the “wrong” way (or worse, that is is suspicious if you’re doing it the “wrong” way). But being a survivor/victim cannot negate someone’s autonomy and agency, and how she responds and what she does about it has to be what’s right for her.
She literally has the words, “Survivor” and “Trust Yourself” written on her body and - oh, look! here comes a dude telling her that she’s doing it wrong! Right on schedule!
Is your wife?
Great pictures, OP, thanks a lot :rolleyes: Had to dig them up myself…
Couple of observations: Aly looks a bit mannish in the face. And by “a bit”, I mean Van Diesel in a wig. Also, looks like they’re trying to hide her toes in the pics, probably all fucked up after all that gymnastics shit.
I also LOLd when I saw her shilling cooter pads. She probably hasn’t had a period in years.
She gave you a rise, so you’re pitting her?
Oh, you were joking? About getting horny for a victim of sexual abuse?
Good lord.
It’s not unreasonable to wonder to yourself whether her actions may have negative consequences.
I imagine you might even have been able to have a reasonable discussion about that in the IMHO forum, minus the mansplaining.
But you chose to bring it to the pit and adress it in a horribly condescending and juvenile way. By pitting her, you shamed her.
Not cool.
Any “harm” the lady in question may have caused by doing a glamour shoot is negligible compared to the harm caused by the attitudes you have expressed here.
I see that Iiandyiii has managed to bring you someway toward a realization of your wrongness. Step away and think a little more about what he’s explained to you.
That she can do this after what she went through demonstrates what a strong woman she is. Good for her.
In that case, you’re just the kind of person the OP likes to talk about after sex.