I am not advocating Lost Cause shit, but I am stating that this holiday is denying the northern states’ responsibility, especially Delaware’s in the slave trade.
This holiday, very happily for some, is denying America’s responsibility for the slave trade.
Surely you used the wrong word there. America will always be responsible for our part in the slave trade. The question is how long will we bust ourselves in the balls for it. But we will always have to own it.
Why is this so hard to grasp? The holiday is about nothing but “hooray, slavery is over”, fixed to a particular date in time when some people got to say “hooray, slavery is over.”
Actually, it’s classic “Lost Cause shit” (to use your phrasing) to jump on any discussion of slavery and randomly inject “the North were no angels either.” Contrary to what white southerners think, this is not the paramount unsettled burning question of scholarship on the subject.
All those celebrated on June 2020.
I think all I said, or anyone has said, that this is a poor date because:
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It was chosen as an historical date, meant to represent an event,
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It falsely represented an event as it perhaps was a local event but not a national one,
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A lot of people misunderstand this date as being a national event,
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People then think of this event, and get behind the anti-Lost Cause narrative
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The North was the hero in the Civil War wishing only to free the enslaved black people which was completed on June 19, 1865 when the last bastion of slavery on the North American continent was achieved.
The strongest argument, by far, is for the date when slavery was made illegal in the United States.
No, Juneteenth is the traditional day and the day Congress was lobbied for the holiday. It is the day the voters wanted.
Nothing is ignored nor more than the fact that the Declaration was signed on a later day and passed on a earlier day. We still have picked July 4th as the traditional day.
Umm, what’s the problem there?
Well, someone can say that the queen’s birthday is a false one. Many do know it already, but they celebrate it in a more likely sunny day. Many do realize that the pedants have a point, but it is not because of them that the date will be changed, most in Britain would not look kindly when some contrarian pedant in the minority does insist that it should be their way.
In this case, many already do know that Juneteenth is the day to celebrate because it was an important one, they know already it is not the first or the last one possible to be used. Still, as they decided in Guam, Delaware and Kentucky, when to celebrate the end of slavery depended on tradition among the descendants of the enslaved people. It does not depend on the pedants.
And I dispute that choosing the proper day for “end of slavery” is remotely relevant to any concern whatsoever. Historical or otherwise. We know what events happened on which date. Assigning special importance to any of them is entirely subjective.
So we have a holiday that you think isn’t on the proper day. Fine. Go after Independence Day and Christmas, and put those to their proper historical dates, then we’ll fix whatever crime you think was committed here.
Nope
A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States
From everyone including the National Archives.
If you are referring to 1 USC 106(b) then
Whenever official notice is received at the National Archives and Records Administration that any amendment proposed to the Constitution of the United States has been adopted, according to the provisions of the Constitution,
would indicate that the certification is acknowledgement that the amendment has been already become a part of the Constitution upon the ratification of 3/4 of the states.
So I contend that if we are being pedantic about what day should celebrate the end of slavery it should be December 6th.
Have you been reading my posts? I’ve said all along that June 19 is the best day for the holiday. Because a tradition has grown up around that date.
And as long as we are moving Juneteenth to December 6th (see my argument above) let’s move Christmas to April 17th.
Just to clarify, I think if the descendants of slaves want to celebrate freedom on June 19th then that should be in their power and not the rest of us to decide when they (and us) should celebrate it.
I’m not a lawyer, constitutional or otherwise. But reading the cited texts and the law, I think you’re right. The certification is a public statement that the process has been completed rather than being itself a completion of the process.
White people can have any opinion they please…but when it concerns a holiday commemorating a milestone in African-American history, that opinion shouldn’t count for very much.
But that is just my opinion.
The people most affected by the event commemmorated celebrate that event in June. Telling them their observance is wrong and will be observed on another day is, at the very least, diminishing its importance. It also really reeks of “Look at those stupid ~s; they cannot even get something meant for them right”.
Right. That’s why the birth of Jesus is marked in December, instead of, say, April which would fit the Biblical narrative.
Black people do not celebrate emancipation as a monolith on Juneteenth. Lots of days are used.
Again, my position is keep Juneteenth and add another holiday. Strip away scumbag holidays like Washington’s BDay and Columbus Day. The final emancipation of slaves is more important to celebrate 4 July, but here we are.
Next on the chopping block: Cinco de Mayo.
Do those of you criticizing the holiday not get how presumptupus, even dismissive and condescending, that criticism is?
Juneteenth has been an important date to the Black community for well over a century. Maybe you should criticize how some media are describing it, instead of the people who have celebrated it for over a hundred years.