American family wants to move to England: feasible?

The station is about a quarter of a mile from the (current) centre of MK, there seems to be a plan to create a new centre of sorts which more or less buts up against the station.

Visitors tend to have a problem with MK, it isn’t layed out like a conventional British town with a high street, town square, church, blah… And the way the pathways are layed out* any landmarks (and I’m not sure there is anything that would count as one) are obscured. Bill Bryson described having to keep climbing up embankments to (not) get his bearings.

  • to separate pedestrians from traffic, footpaths go down into underpasses at each major roundabout** so you spend quite a lot of time below ground level.
    ** there are a lot of roundabouts.
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Fear not! Hellmans is the default supermarket mayo over here. Peanut butter is easy to get hold off, but I’m told it’s generally a lot less sweet than the US norm.

Well that’s good to know you guys eat civilized Mayonnaise. I sort of figured the situation was better than on the continent. In Denmark, for example, they did have an American foods store, but only in Copenhagen.

BTW, the American Foods store is pretty damn depressing. Most of the things you can’t get in Denmark are really disgusting. I’m talking about stuff like spreadable marsh mellow, absolute garbage cereals (I remember Oreo cheerios being there), hideous soft drinks (Mountain Dew), and lots and lots of PB and J. Also dill pickles. Dunno about in the UK, but the pickles in DK were not as good. They were usually cut into chips and always had a sweet component to them, like relish. Danish mayo is truly the worst. It seems to have no flavor at all. It’s like light mayo but worse. Also the color is a bit too white. I had to buy my Hellmans special. I would have to go to a special store.

The following is a link to the Congress for the New Urbanism: http://www.cnu.org/.

What you’re looking for is available in the United States - you just have to look for it. New Urbanist development is becoming more and more prevalent and you should not have a problem finding a place to live that is also close to a university.

Consult your family tree. If you have a UK parent, I believe that you can get a passport and live there. If you have a UK grandparent, you can get permission to live there for five years. Check the Immigration website, though, because these rules seem to change regularly, and there are a lot fewer ancestry-related ways to get in than there used to be.

I second this. Like any country, we have our share of problems, but you just can’t tell which will particularly affect you and how. Stuff is stupidly expensive here and the way people behave (I’ve lived in both countries) is (IMO, naturally) profoundly different. If I had the choice, not that this is relevant, I’d choose going back to the US in a heartbeat! The weather here sucks too!

Ah, sidewalks on streets. Some years back, the morning after a dopefest actually, I set off from a hotel near O’Hare to get the blue line back home. I was in need of fresh air, so decided to walk. I could see the airport perimeter after all. Yep, you guessed it, 20 minutes later I was back to take the courtesy bus. It simply wasn’t possible to get to the airport on foot without crossing the interstate. It had simply never occurred to me that there were places roads went which weren’t accessible on foot.

I love these threads…

US Citizen, living in England for 6.5 years. Started off in Reading, then Henley on Thames, then London for the last 5 years (mostly W London but in Kingston now).

Couple of facts about immigration:
First trick is getting here. You either come here on a limited work visa, tied to a specific job, which job has to be offered to EU and British Citizens first and your prospective employer needs to prove they couldn’t find someone local more qualified (not impossible, but difficult - I might get kicked out because my current employer screwed up my work visa though so it does have some pitfalls), or else the Highly Skilled Migrant program being discussed above. If you come in illegally (i.e. on a tourist visa) and then find a job, you’re gonna get hosed hard when you do apply for the legal residence permits.

It takes 6 years, not 5, to apply for naturalization. I know this well - I’m going through it now. 5 years you can apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain, which is effectively a green card - you can live, work, and come and go as you please although if you leave the UK for more than 6 months they can take it away. It also costs $2000; I think per person (so you and your wife will need to both apply) but your kids if any should be fine. Once you’ve had ILR for a year, then you can apply for naturalisation. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE UP YOUR US CITIZENSHIP - that is a myth. You can still be a US citizen and a citizen of somewhere else at the same time.

Now, once you’re here:
The cost of living is HUGE here compared to the nearly every part of the US. A mate who just moved to New York and lives in the West Village finds it cheaper than living in Central London. Cost of houses is especially large. 300K GBP ($600,000 USD) is the AVERAGE home price in London; I think it’s something like 220k GBP for all of the UK. So if you’re buying, it’s expensive.

Rentals are also pretty expensive. I rent a small 2br flat, on the ground floor, with a great garden (yard to you tanks) out the back; it is in the suburbs (Hampton Wick) and about 35 min to central London on the train (Waterloo) and I pay the equivalent of $2300 per month. And I don’t even have a dining room, or room for a kitchen table. Most of the young, urban professionals I know in London have flatmates, with a very few exceptions, because the cost of living in London is so high.

Transport is pretty expensive. A zone 1-6 travel card, enabling me to travel on buses, overland trains, and tubes in all of greater London, is 13.80GBP peak, or 7.00GBP off-peak. A monthly zone 1-6 is 171.30GBP. Think of paying $300 per month just to take public transport - it puts it in perspective.

Food is not so expensive compared to US prices, but is going up. Expect to pay between 50GBP and 100GBP for a nice meal out in London for 2; cheaper food is certainly available, and food in grocery stores isn’t outrageous, but it’s certainly not cheap.

Clothes and other consumer goods are hideously expensive. I save my clothes shopping, except for all but the most urgent things, for trips to the Continent or the US; if it wasn’t for the voltage differences, I’d buy all my electronics in the US as well. It’s a nearly straight conversion from pounds to dollars - as in something that costs 70GBP costs $70 USD. It’s just ridiculous, especially when the same thing probably costs 70 euros on the mainland.

Entertainment is highly variable - a night out in the pub with mates might cost 20 quid or might cost 100 depending on location; doing other things in England is expensive for the same reasons as above.

As for the ‘walkability’ scale, sure - London is highly walkable. I don’t have a car; the girlfriend pays for a car scheme which we use on those rare occasions when public transport or home delivery just won’t work, or we rent one if going further afield like this coming weekend when we’re going to Dorset for a wedding. I haven’t ‘needed’ to own a car for about 1.5 years or so. But I do live in London - other parts of England are not nearly so public-transportation friendly. I can’t imaging living in Reading or Henley without a car - you’d spend half your life on buses. But you can get by day-to-day, in your local village or local area, without a car which is a good thing because parking is a bloody nightmare anyways and petrol is insanely expensive. And cars in England are HUGELY expensive beasts. New cars have road tax, which is seriously pricey, and old cars have both road tax (slightly less pricey) and annual MOT inspection for safety and emissions which isn’t that cheap either. And did I mention petrol is nearly $10 per gallon and set to rise more? And that car insurance is pretty expensive? And that congestion on the roads makes even short drives incredibly painful and demanding?

So why do I live here?
I like living in an English-speaking country. Not speaking French or German, and with very limited Spanish, I would imagine the bureaucracy is twice as hard to navigate in those countries as here. I’m having enough trouble in English!

I love the travel. Other than in the recent past, when my visa was in question and I was worried about getting let back into England if I leave, I was travelling to new countries about once a quarter or so, and going to at least France or Spain once a month. I went all over Easter Europe and Asia when I first got her (it’s actually easier to get to places like Thailand from here than from the West Coast - don’t ask me why). it’s cheap as chips to get nearly anywhere in mainland Europe and fast as well - pretty much everywhere I want to be is within 5 hours flight of London and the flights are frequent, cheap, and easy to get to.

I love the history. It’s a brilliant country for the feeling of aged loveliness all about you - I lived in Seattle before I lived here, and like the OP the only parts I liked were the ‘old’ parts in Pioneer Square and on the waterfront.

And I love the people. The dry British humour, the sarcastic wit, the international welcome, the vibrancy. It’s all glorious. And the summers (unlike this rubbish 2-days-on-2-days-cold-shit-rainy-weather current one) are just great.

Oh, that plus the beer - truly a wonderful concoction and they do some wonderful ones here. Speaking of which, time to ask the barman for another as I’m writing this in the pub :slight_smile:

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that was me…

Well I think that is a little unfair. ORD is one of the busiest airports in the US, the plot it sits on is a few miles across. It seem reasonable that they discounted the few travels who want to walk from their hotel with their luggage for exercise and leisure. And the blue line goes from inside the airport to downtown for $2, blue line stops then connect to bus routes and many nice sidewalks.

I’m pretty sure you can walk to Midway, though.
Anyhow, I’m also wondering why not New York City. Plenty of people raise kids in New York, I lived in Queens for 5 years, it has a very family friendly feel to it.

Have you considered the weather? I lived in Virginia Beach for awhile and used to drive down to Raleigh on business, so I’m familiar with what you’re used to. English weather is… not as sunny.

How’s central heating these days? It was all steam when I lived in Paris and London, but perhaps things have changed. You might get a bit cold the first winter.

78% of the people in NYC or Manhattan?

Question: Didn’t it used to be easy for someone of Irish descent to obtain citizenship in Ireland? IIRC, all you had to do was prove you were 1/4 or 1/8 Irish. Then, once an Irish citizen, you can work anywhere in the EU, right? Not sure I have that correct, or if it has changed since the EU solidified more after '92.

You know, I thought that seemed high…

It’s Manhattan only. I’d think it’d be higher than that…

I’m pretty sure that if you have an Irish grandparent you can get citizenship.

That’s a rather weird metric. Are European airports generally accessible by foot? Having lived 5 1/2 years in Budapest, I can tell you that Ferihegy 2 is definitely not pedestrian-friendly, and it would also require crossing a busy highway on foot to get to if you were on the wrong side of the road. Needless to say, the only airport I’ve ever seen anyone walk to is Midway here in Chicago.

edit: Actually, that’s not true. The airport in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, is walkable.

I don’t think I said that England is somehow generally better than the US. And I certainly don’t think it’s some kind of paradise without any problems.

It’s simple, really: London has all the things you cited about Westfield NJ, plus a history and culture that I really enjoy. I can put up with a lot of ‘thorns in my side’ if I really love the place I’m living. So, yes, I do believe that I would prefer living there to anywhere in the US, all else being equal. But if I can’t afford it, or if immigration is impossible, then that rather settles the matter, doesn’t it?

This was purely an observation, not a criticism.
A sidewalk was patently unnecessary.

There are a couple of New Urbanist communities in my neighborhood, and they’re pretty awful. Better than the hellhole that is the rest of the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area in terms of urban design, sure; but these dinky New Urbanist neighborhoods are such a far cry from genuine urbanism that they almost accentuate the pain of what they lack.

There are places that are doing it better, I think, like Stapleton in Denver (my home town), if only because they’re larger and thus more like a real city rather than just a little development. But they still cling to the car as the basic mode of transport. All the retail centers are designed around car transit, and retail and housing are almost totally segregated (with a few token condos added on to the main shopping streets).

I’d also assume that number is per household and not per person?

ETA: It does seem low to me too, but then not everyone works in a Manhattan office 9-5. I’d assume part of that is reverse commuters and/or people who work off-hours.

Not to hijack the thread, but I believe you’ll see even more of these types of developments given the increasing gasoline prices. I was involved with one here in Central VA that really is a small city - it will have urban densities, vertical development, integrated uses, a central business core, cultural amenities, all those things we associate with urban living. Unfortunately, it won’t have 1500 years of history behind it.

Yeah, I bet if it were 20 years in the future there would be a lot more good options. Living through the transition is going to be tough, which is why it would be nice to move someplace where they were doing it right before the problems (gas prices, population) arose. But as many have pointed out, there are such places in the US. They don’t have the history and culture behind them quite to the degree that London does, but it looks in all likelihood as if I’ll have to give up on that. Oh what I wouldn’t give for a one-world government…

Yes, that’s the case if you have sufficient documentation to prove that the grandparent was born in Ireland (e.g. had the GP been born in the US of Irish immigrant(s), s/he would have been an Irish citizen, but that would not be sufficient to pass it on to the US-born grandchildren).

One major advantage of this strategy is that (AFAIK) it does not require any residence period; the US-resident dependent can apply for and be granted the Irish passport entirely by mail (and possibly a visit to an Irish Embassy or consulate). So, where applicable, it’s a way of getting automatic right to work in any EU country in advance of the move.

[References (PDF):
Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act, 1956
Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 2004 shows recent changes that affect descendants born after 2004/2005, hence not applicable to the OP.]