American Ninja Warrior

It appears the speed pass winner doesn’t count for the top 12, meaning every city will actually send between 13 and 15 to Vegas:

  • The top 12 finishers not counting the speed pass winner
  • The speed pass winner
  • Up to two women if they didn’t finish in the top 12 or win the speed pass

For the edge case, I’m assuming if a woman wins the speed pass, two more women advance. Essentially, the speed pass means you don’t technically count for the city final rankings in any way except qualifying for the Power Tower.

Note: The SDMB, of course, does not have a throwing-up smiley. Tragic, I know. As it turns out, there are times where that would’ve been quite useful in this thread, and this week’s siffies, in particular, was particularly…fertile ground, to put it as discreetly as I can. Therefore, I will be using <BARF> to indicate the presence of the smiley in question, and you can use your imagination. Which these competitors leave very little to, I understand, so just do the best you can. All righty…

0:01 How you can tell ANW has truly arrived: They’ve just spent who knows how much cash to bring in a real live Clydesdale and rider to make some kind of cryptic point about how yeeeehawww-ish Oklahoma City is. Hope they take plenty of precautions the next time they’re in Indianapolis. Those open wheels can really do some damage to unprotected toes.

A quick look at #9, the brand new Snap Back, which requires the contestant to grab a quickly-moving bar in midair, then do it again. Furthermore, he must transition from a front to a reverse grip. This one would’ve easily been a late Stage 3 obstacle in past seasons; it looks like it has the potential to be an absolute killer.

0:03 Profile of Jeff Harris, the “Waste Warrior”, whom Eyes immediately compares to the Village People. Huh…geez…look, how do I put this…making lots of callbacks to 70’s culture made sense when the 70’s weren’t that long ago. You could ask any grade school kid during the Reagan Administration who the Village People or the Bee Gees or John Travolta or Donna Summer are and there’s a pretty good chance they’d know. Now it’s 2019, and the people who were big fans of that stuff are now in their 70’s, and WE’RE GETTING REFERENCES TO THEM ON AN ALLEGEDLY EMMY-NOMINATED PRIMETIME REALITY TV SHOW. I’m really going to be putting up with Boomer crap my entire goddam life, won’t I? This planet is doomed.

Oh, and his thing is that he’s really, really super-duper double-dog serious about recycling. :rolleyes: Because listening to a preachy environmentalist is just what reality TV fans tune into ANW for! :smack::smack:

The run, what-goddam-ever, he made it. Oh yeah, stupid-looking fake mustaches, always a treat. :rolleyes: Moving on…

0:10 Of the five women here tonight, four of them made the top 30, tying the best result ever. This is big. Really big. And as soon as figure out why, I’ll be glad to share it with all of you. First up is Maggi Thorne, who wears a pink bow and pink lipstick, and unlike Natalie Duran has not recently undergone a catastrophic decline. Profile bludgeons home “single mom” with every big as much subtlety as you’d…

…what the…she has a goddam leitmotif??? Someone thought juggling family, career, and participation in a sport that has about a millionth of the value of either of the first two items was worth making a sappy theme song?? I’m sorry, did the Hallmark Channel buy the rights to this show while I wasn’t looking?? Well, you know what’s coming… <BARF>. Truly, madly, deeply, never has a <BARF> been more justified. Anyway, run begins, blah blah set the bar high blah blah inspirational blah, and of course the important lesson is that if you’re injured, keep going! Under no circumstances is pulling out due to injury ever acceptable! Why do you think we can’t have another Ninja vs. Ninja? Gaaaah… :mad: Aaaand, fade out to more beautiful strains of that leitmotif. (A leitmotif!!! She has a freaking LEITMOTIF!!! <BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF>) This is going to be one of those siffies, isn’t it?

0:23 A checklist of all six rounds of ANW (and “Salmon Ladder” for whatever reason). On his shirt. Heh. Why don’t you ask Jeff Gordon how well that sort of chest-thumping worked out for him. Poor fool. (Yeah, kinda hard to write on soaking wet fabric, isn’t it? :rolleyes:)

Tonight’s #8 is Crazy Clocks, always a notorious stumbling block, and it’s already taken out several pretty good competitors. There’s nothing fancy about it; you just need really strong arms, especially since it comes right after Salmon Ladder with no rest. Between this and Snap Back, it’s going to be a battle to find anyone worthy of Power Tower.

0:24 All right, let’s see what’s the deal with Rick Hinnant…whoa, was not expecting that! I’ve mentioned before that siffies was where NBC had to get creative with their profiles, having neither the large pool of Acceptable Stories candidates of quallies nor the star power and playoff excitement of Vegas, but this is definitely a new one…a cross-promotion. He was on Shark Tank and was able to impress one of them enough to lock down a deal, which eventually propelled him to tremendous success. I know that Shark Tank is owned by sister network CNBC, but dang, of all the guest stars we’ve had here, Barbara Corcoran definitely qualifies as one of the most unlikely! So! What-are-you-going-to-do? :smiley: Only one way to…

…oh, you gotta be kidding me. Segue into Acceptable Story. :smack: (Also <BARF>.) His wife had a miscarriage. (What the hell is a “routine” pregnancy, anyway? Maybe you should ask her how freaking routine carrying an increasingly difficult burden and experiencing a laundry list of health problems is. :mad:) And they even had a name, too. Apparently this was so shattering for him that he completely lost his will to have children forever, which is why he turned to entrepreneurship to build his legacy. Well, it’s not the path anyone would have chosen, but if running a successful business gives him a purpose and direction in life, I’m all for it. And if it allows him to set an example for young people, that they don’t need children to be worthwhile to society, so much…

:eek: What the hell do you mean, you have three healthy kids?? What in…how…why…but he just… :confused: I… :confused::confused::confused::confused: …I don’t a clue what to think anymore. I’m just plain confused. :confused: Dammit, when I said I wanted more variety in the stories, I didn’t mean all at once!

Out on Coconut Climb, won’t be advancing, and no doubt the Stage 1 profile writer just breathed a huge sigh of relief.

0:33 Ben Wales becomes the first victim of Snap Back. Almost had it but just couldn’t manage the second reverse grab. With stronger competitors stepping up, more could be following soon.

And as I write those words, here comes Karsten Williams. He’s had a rather checkered career, and at 38, he knows the clock is ticking…does he have one more inspired performance in him? As with the true contenders, no sappy profile, no big intro, he just gets right into it. Okay…okay…okay…on to Salmon Ladder, good. Now the unforgiving Crazy Clocks…and…not a problem! He still looks in great shape…

Oh, of all the…what the bloody hell even IS this??? The run cuts away to a long…long…long…looooooong montage of the times he failed on the 9th obstacle. (Which of course has rarely, if ever, been any kind of deal since prior to the cutdown a grand total of ONE siffies contestant has failed to advance after clearing 8, but you already knew that.) First a leitmotif, now this? Is this a reality show or a documentary?? And to cap it off, Eyes calls it…wait for it…Da Kurrrsssss. That’s right, he just compared Williams having a little bad luck on obstacles that ultimately meant nothing to THE MOST FREAKISH, INSANE, BIZARRE, BAFFLING CHAMPIONSHIP DROUGHT IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS. :smack: I…

And Williams finishes, which means that Eyes can finally shut up about it. Don’t worry, though, he’ll have something equally ridiculous next week. That man’s a professional! :rolleyes:

0:45 On to the second of our lady qualifies, Taylor Amann, who…I’m sorry, there’s no way to mince words about this. She is breathtakingly beautiful. She really is. And, you’ll remember, one of the stars of the Wisconsin juggernaut that utterly steamrolled Team Ninja Warrior College Madness, including a surprisingly powerful MIT squad, thereby ensuring that we’d never have another College Madness.

Boyfriend Clay Raterman is here as well. He’s been largely a non-factor in ANW so far (including College Madness), but he does serve to illustrate the weird balancing act NBC is doing with love interests of the strong women. See, it’s pretty obvious at this point that the loathe the patriarchal mentality as much as anyone else with half a functioning brain, but for some reason they just cannot completely cut ties with these Neanderthals…y’know, the losers who got genuinely outraged when Tifa Lockhart started wearing a sports bra. (Which Amann has on tonight as well, and damn, she is SMOKING.) That turns each run into a weird hedging match where they tease at making it all about the guy but never follow through on it.

Anyway, she went out on Coconut Climb the first time but learned from her mistakes, and the wall is no challenge after that. Not quite powerful enough for Crazy Clocks, but still easily good enough for the top women’s spot. She’ll definitely be one to watch in Vegas. For multiple reasons. :slight_smile:

0:54 God damn…one of the saddest things in sport is seeing the inexorable decline of a former superstar who hangs on for too long. I remember a time when Brent Steffensen dominated this event…being the first man to clear any iteration of Ultimate Cliffhanger will do that. Now here he is, shuffled off to a 3WA land in quallies, and now tonight, the erstwhile king reduced to an afterthought. He did get as far as Crazy Clocks, but in much too slow a time, and he will not be competing in Vegas. I need to move on before I get depressed.

0:55 David Wright! The Cake Ninja! Which means that instead of 200 shots of fans waving idiotic signs, jumping, flailing, and screaming directly into the camera, we’ll have 200 shots of fans stuffing their faces with junk food! <BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF> Which of course, Eyes and Bodge… <BARF> On second thought, screw their opinion of this. Oh, lovely, the fans have figured out how to use their brain-dead three syllable chants to make demands! <BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF> Look, I like cake too, I just don’t think glorifying this type of… <BARF><BARF><BARF><BARF> I mean, you could show something positive, like donating cake to homeless shelters, or doing a bake sale to benefit a school! Not everything has to be greed… <BARF><BARF><BARF> Gah… :smack:

1:06 Karen Wiltin, who looks not much unlike Barbara Corcoran. All things considered, she has a heck of a run, managing to get as far as Warped Wall. Amazingly, this is the worst ladies’ run of the night! Man, just think of what she could’ve accomplished last week. (Put Jessica Clayton in KP where she belongs, that what she could have done. :mad:)

1:18 Joining Jody Avila in progress, a sure sign of someone NBC expects to actually have a prayer in Stage 1 so they don’t want to overexpose him now. (Also Wiltin’s run ate up a lot of time…seriously, she was the archetypical “has infinite time and is going to use every second of it” contestant…so they have to make cuts somewhere.) Powerful all throughout and gets up Spider Trap breaking a sweat. Yeah, he’s legit.

1:27 Madelyn McNeal goes out in the same place she did in quallies, Coconut Climb. The #5’s have eaten a lot of lunches this year, and that really show you just how much this contest has evolved. There was a time when things like Devil Steps was a bonafide ninja killer, and that one only required strength and grip.

On to the last woman of the night, Barclay “Bars” Stockett. She’s fallen off my radar a bit, mainly because the camera cut to her roughly 4,000 times during American Ninja Warrior Junior and it got just a tad irksome, but I do remember her as one of the better female contestants. One of the best, honestly, now that old favorites like Kacy Catanzaro and Meagan Martin have fallen by the wayside. The profile highlights her work with Exile International, a nonprofit which helps boys who have been abducted and forced to engage in armed combat…

[OKAY, TIME OUT. Everyone. Everyone, everywhere who is tempted to do this: If what you are talking about consists entirely of boys…i.e., does not contain even one girl…do not use the word “kids”. Okay? It is not “kids” who went on that mass shooting spree or spread that racist propaganda or sexually assaulted that girl. It’s boys. It’s ALWAYS boys. Don’t say “kids” when it’s something only boys ever, ever do. It’s boys, it’s boys, it’s boys, boys, boys, B-O-Y-S BOYS BOYS BOYS BOYS BOYS BOOOOOOYYYYYYYSSSSSSSSSS. I’ll just leave this here.]

…get back on their feet. How? By…setting up an ANW course. So they can engage in an activity which is physically draining and completely fruitless, but at least they don’t have to worry about getting shot it. This is the best that America can do for young people who have suffered some of the most unspeakable atrocities. Yeah, pretty sure this planet is completely doomed. :frowning:

On to the marginally happier run. If Bars gets up Warped Wall, this will be the first time in history that four women made it that far in siffies, an impressive figure and one we’re unlikely to see surpassed for a long time. She does the usual pause-to-showboat-after-every-damn-obstacle thing…swear to Reimu, this crap is worse here than in the NBA…but does, in fact, get up the wall. Excuse me, bee daah waww. Y’know, I don’t see the point of chanting when she’s done this before and it’s not hard for her at all. Despite taking what seemed like a lot more than 3:35, she gets to Crazy Clocks and cements the second women’s spot of the night.

1:39 Matthew Day had a deep run last year, and with a lot of old favorites fading, he feels the time is ripe to seize the crown. Unfortunately, it’s not going to happen with mental errors on #5. He was doing great until he simply whiffed on the notch going down, and with his upper body horizontal there was no saving it.

1:41 Oh boy. Things just got serious. Daniel “Dag” Gil just stepped up to the plate, and like Drew Dreschel before him, he’s going for the trifecta. I had the feeling that reality would screw with Eyes’ and Bodge’s narratives regarding the Power Tower, but I didn’t expect it to happen in the middle of the first iteration. But then, Dag’s never cared much what anyone thought of him, and that confidence serves him well as he (yep) breezes through completely in control (yep) has no trouble with Crazy Clocks or Snap Back, and (yep) gets the (yep) fastest time of the night (yep-yep yep-yep, yep yeeeeeppp :D) I’m seriously starting to wonder what the damn point of the Speed Pass even is.

1:50 Closing things out is Mathis “Cougar” Owhadi, who is Dag’s student. Given how many storybook Power Tower matchups failed to happen, you can bet Eyes and Bodge are hoping for him to beat out Karsten Williams for the #2 spot with a desperation bordering on pants-wetting. Personally, I’m hoping it happens too, mainly because Gil/Williams promises to be about as competitive as a Crimson Tide nonconference game. It’s really close to the end, so, per usual, I’m going to skip the roughly two hours of suffocating drama and inform you that Cougar made it by less than a second. Yay.

1:56 The battle of the fortnight! The firebrand phenom takes on the invincible matter in an upper-body…

:eek:

What…the…hell…is…happening?

:eek::eek::eek:

COUGAR WINS! COUGAR WINS! COUGAR WIIIINNNSSSS! And it wasn’t even close! Man…I knew Dag had slowed down a bit, maybe picked up a few mental stumbling blocks (the mind is always the first thing to go), but you’d think that he wouldn’t have trouble with this one. Hey, this may not be a real sport, but it can still surprise you like one! :slight_smile:

How about that: a night that was mostly terrible ends with a young phenom taking out a legend, and all of a sudden he’s in the front running for the $100,000. I don’t really think he’s quite good enough to beat out the likes of Drew Dreschel, but it’ll certainly be a thrill to see him go for it.

1:58 The usual results, where we learn that men named “Alex Blick”, “Kendall Ortez”, and “Damir Okanovic” will be in Stage 1. Maybe someday we’ll actually see their runs instead of…what we actually see. Maybe they can convince NBC by bribing them with fruits and vegetables, then it’ll truly be a win-win!

To be honest, if I had to put money on one of them, I’d bet on Gil going further than Owadi in Vegas despite Owadi being the one with the mulligan.

But then again, if you give them both two mulligans – one each for stage 1 and stage 2 – I’d still bet the 401k on Drew Dreschel even if he didn’t have his own mulligan.

At this point I see Drew Dreschel as roughly as much ahead of the pack as Jessie Graf was ahead of the pack for the women’s game a couple years ago. She still is pretty far ahead of the #2 woman (Flex Labreck?) but a couple years ago it was like she was in a completely different league. That’s where Dreschel is now. Not even the Weatherman is close, I don’t think, and Moravsky’s the clear, uncontested #2. Gil is bunched in with an ever-growing pack of elites vying for #3.

Has anyone here actually been to a taping? I have the impression the city shows are taped in February or March. Are the Vegas finals done in the summer? Are the fans switched out between runs? Do they hand out tons of t-shirts on the sidelines for each competitor or are the fans switched out for each run?
How long does the taping take? Must be hours to reset between runs, interview everyone, etc.

Last year I would have agreed that Drew and Joe were definitely #1 and #2. This year Joe looked a LOT slower and then announcers mentioned something about how he hadn’t been training as much. Maybe he was going slow because he knew he wanted to tackle the mega wall above all else, so why screw around for the speed pass… or maybe he’s just not putting in the insane training hours that are required to really be a peak ninja these days.

Anyhow, I’d say that if Joe is no longer at peak Joe, then Sean Bryan is the clear #2 after Drew as the clear #1.

adhemar - NBC is extraordinarily tight-lipped about everything, but here’s what I know. Every second is taped in advance and very heavily edited. The live runs were at least a couple months back. A number of contestants get interviewed and NBC decides later which ones they want to air. The one Eyes says is the last runner of the night really is, but other than that the network can air them in any order they want. To save time, they’ll show only brief clips of most of the runs (the “while we were away” segments), and to save more time, they’ll also chop off the front end of one of them. Fan seating, as far as anyone can tell, is first come first served; I’ve never heard anything about reserved or preferential seating. And no, the network does not provide free merchandise. In fact, it doesn’t have any (otherwise it’d be for sale somewhere). Those t-shirts, signs, and masks are the product of an extremely dedicated fanbase.

Well, history was made. Kind of. For the first time ever, the ninja who went furthest in a city finals course was a woman.

Sadly, she only went furthest, not furthest-and-fastest, so it didn’t count for anything. Still, an impressive performance by Jessie Graff.

And some catastrophic performances by a bunch of other ninjas. Jake Murray and Meagan Martin will not be at Vegas. Sean Bryan turns out to be a mere mortal. The first mom up the warped wall is now the first mom to make it up the warped wall and then not qualify for Vegas.

It’s always a bit hard for us laymen to judge, but boy did Northwest Passage look like one of the most brutally difficult obstacles ever.

I thought it was a combination of a tough course and a relatively thin field. The power tower wasn’t overly impressive; one guy wasn’t even able to finish it!

Loved seeing women finish in 3rd (Jessie Graf) and 8th (Mady Howard?!) place. Howard – the blonde gymnast who is cute as a button – hauled ass all the way through the salmon ladder, but it was early on so it wasn’t clear at the time that she made it as far as anyone else outside the top 3, man or woman, and she did it quickly.

I mean, come on, a top 10 overall city finals run by a rookie woman?! They really should have done some editing there, moving her run to 3rd to last and hyping the shit out of it. My only guess as to why they didn’t is maybe she completely tanks in Vegas? I hope not.

Based on this results page, Jessie Graf was over a minute slower to the final obstacle, so I guess I don’t object to her official rank as 3rd.

Is this the first week the speed pass winner from qualifiers (Sean Bryan) didn’t finish in the top 12? I couldn’t tell; he wasn’t listed in the top 12, but separately at the end. In previous weeks they listed the speed pass winner in their position in the top 13. Also, since the top 2 women finished in the top 12, only 13 people (the minimum) advanced to Vegas.

Fair point about Joe, though IIRC he still looked pretty impressive in the skills competition before the season started.

Sean Bryan is a good thought. Before this city final performance, I would have said if he isn’t already he will be by next season. I still think I think that but did he really not finish in the top 12? If so, yikes. It’s one thing to slip up on a balance obstacle or something, but to finish at the back of the pack isn’t a great way to demonstrate that you’re ahead of the pack.

I’m only seeing the gulf getting wider between Dreschel and the field.

I’m fairly sure that’s filmed at the end of last season, not at the beginning of this season.

Guys… :frowning: I know you’re expecting more highlight reel goodness, but… :smack: Aaaaagh.

I would say that the Seattle-Tacoma siffie was what finally broke me, but it’s not so much “broke” as “bled dry”. You may have noticed that in my previous highlight reel recaps, I did a way too much grumbling (yes, even I think it’s a bit excessive;)) but was able to take away some positive notes. That’s gone now. And I don’t just mean in the sense that nothing good happened; the makers of this show seem to actively despise goodness and fight like maniacs to thwart it at every turn.

Since I do want to end the season on a high note, I’ll just post my Really Bad Things About ANW Siffies here and then never revisit it again. In no particular order:

All the damn chanting – Remember when it was just “bee daah waww”? Now the mindless, obnoxious drone goes on all throughout the run. There were times I thought I was in the Temple of Doom. And of course, of all the things NBC could’ve put on that big screen, it had to be “BEAT THAT WALL”, because what this nation needs is even more blind conformity.
All the damn screaming – I remember the first few times I watched Sasuke and how overexcited and noisy I found the announcer. He’s a goddam Masterpiece Theater narrator compared to the continuous ear-bleeding cacophony siffies has become.
(We’re trying to convince you that) Lady ninjas RULE!! (with a desperation bordering on pathetic!) – Did I mention something a while back about propping up the women didn’t make much sense since they weren’t going to make an impact in siffies? NBC’s “solution?” Screw it all and give the 5 women disproportionate representation! :smack: Uggggghhh…I’m starting to think that the real reason we don’t have a counterpart to Kunoichi is that someone at the network just likes pushing heavy-handed agendas like this. On top of that, are we really supposed to think that it’s a good thing that some of the top female athletes in the country get pushed into a sport where they’ll never make a penny and will train like demons for month after month to get seen for barely a few minutes a year? A positive development would be to increase the profile of a legitimate women’s sport: the NBA, beach volleyball, tennis, skateboarding. Instead we have them getting chewed up by upper-body blasters and then run out on a rail in Stage 1. Sigh.
Showing a montage/mini-profile in the middle of the damn run – I mean, seriously, what the bloody hell is this?
Ludicrous, essentially impossible back half obstacles – Given how much of a hash Flying Monkey Bars made out of the ninth NvN prelim, you’d think someone would at least give it a serious redesign. Nope, still in it’s field-wrecking glory. And seriously, whose demented idea was Northwest Passage? You’re going to combine Monkey Peg with a 45 degree uphill climb, AND add two descents? Which leads to…
Jessie Graff getting royally screwed. Again. – Okay, I’m the last person to cry conspiracy, but there’s simply too much evidence now: Someone clearly has it out for Jessie Graff (and probably Meagan Martin as well). How the hell do you explain the two reasonable siffies in a row, and then this utter ABOMINATION just jumps out of nowhere? Maybe there’s resentment that she’s become “too good”, maybe frustration that she still doesn’t have a single Acceptable Story, maybe now that Sandy Zimmermann has turned out to be good she’s outlived her usefulness. No matter what, it’s disgusting.
Finishing not mattering in the slightest. Again. – Hey, remember how the Power Tower was going to completely solve all the issues we’ve had over the crippling failure rate in siffies? Yeah, hell no. The back half turned even that into a complete crapshoot. Can you explain how we got Karson Voiles vs. Dan Yager?
Bloodlust – Injuries are always a risk with any intense physical activity, but lately it seems that ANW has gotten really dangerous. Bad enough in itself (no prize money to defray medical expenses, for one), but not every time we need a freaking close up of the contestant’s agony. I’m sorry, wrong, epic no way, 100% bad, DISGUSTING. You do not fetishize human suffering. How this manages to maintain a clean TV-PG, I’ll never understand.
Nobody giving a crap about any of this – The thing that really blew me away about Eyes tonight was how apathetic he sounded about there being no finishers. One, Eyes isn’t apathetic about anything, and two, something like no finishers used to set klaxons blaring and let the producers know that something needed to change.
But no, everyone’s signed on, “ninja killers” are in no way indicative that the course is broken, don’t even try to get a decent representative sample of contenders in the runs you actually show, and let’s enable Jake Murray some more while we’re at it. Oh, and it’s perfectly fine to mike up two nails-on-a-chalkboard irritating boys! They’re enthusiastic! Enthusiasm is good! Always good! 100% good! Good, good, good, good, good, good, good! :mad:

The thing is, if you watch Sasuke, even now, you won’t see any of this…there simply isn’t the time. Everyone starts right at Stage 1 and runs the same course with the same time limit. A lot of them don’t have any chance, and a few of them are outright jokes. If you were to congratulate any of them for “making the National Finals”, you’d get some pretty funny looks. Nobody is interested in making stories, or enforcing narratives, or promoting girl power, or horribly mangling the whole stupid system to ensure that Kacy Catanzaro can cling to her one completely meaningless milestone. Prelims are addition that has no analogue in the original contest, therefore NBC can do whatever they want with it, and now we’re seeing the disturbing lengths they’re going to enforce complete conformity and ensure that this never changes. Seriously, is anyone even bothering to make suggestions anymore? Even something as modest as “Hold the camera back a bit whenever someone screams directly into it”? Will there be any repercussions at all for that galactically ill-advised Flying Monkey Bars/Northwest Passage combo?

And now my concern is that it’s going to spread to the real contest. So far time limits have prevented NBC from making a complete mess of Stages 1-2. But we saw this begin to crumble a bit last season, what with the very long time limit in 2. How long before even that part gets assimilated? And make no mistake, once it becomes obvious that $100,000 is the most anyone can get, some fans are going to get resentful, and NBC will have to do something to keep interest.

Oh, one more thing…“THIS YEAR THERE WILL BE A WINNER”. <BARF>, <BARF>, and more <BARF>. The assimilation process continues. Gah. Wake me up when Stage 1 begins. :frowning:

When was the power tower ever going to do that? What the power tower is intended to do (imho) is mean that there’s always something exciting to watch, and the broadcast will always end on a high note. I can’t see any reason it makes it more or less likely that there will be finishers. Less likely, if anything, as it maybe slightly tilts people toward going fast.

Anyhow, a week later, and the course was even MORE ridiculously difficult, with no one even making it to obstacle 9. Which suggests to me that the Occam’s Razor approach is that there’s no resentment or anything towards Jessie Graff (why on earth would there be? she’s a photogenic star with a great story, and being a stuntwoman naturally leads to cross promotional possibilities with movies and so forth), but rather they just don’t always know how hard obstacles are going to be. And sometimes, they’re too hard. Last week was too hard, and this week was WAY too hard. But Jamie, Joe and Najee are three of their most-hyped favorites, no reason they’d be trying to screw them or anything.

(I hope Joe gets back into top Joe shape before Vegas, however… seeing him as merely a top ninja instead of an elite ninja is just sad.)

I think it’s become a sickness with them: they desperately want to hype each and every course each and every year as NEW and HARDER. So they’re constantly making the gaps between holds an extra six inches here and there, or making the number of handholds to cross a few more or increasing the length of one of those stretches you have to cross by bracing hands and feet with your body horizontal over a gap.

At first this was okay, the early ninjas WERE getting stronger and faster as they got more experienced. But I think it may be that they’re simply pushing the limits of what human bodies can do. The strength of our muscles and joints simply don’t evolve from year to year.

I believe something similar has happened with horse racing. At first the times for winning various races got faster and faster. But then they hit a sort of plateau: the best horses now run at the best speeds their anatomy/physiology allows. Until we start tinkering with genetics or allowing performance enhancing drugs, we aren’t going to see great leaps.

ANW needs to recognize that. Sure, shake things up by using NEW obstacles, but not ones that are simply harder and harder and harder. Also, how about more variety? How many of the added hard obstacles consist of ‘hang from your hands/arms while traversing something’? Why not add another agility challenge in the back half? How about that water challenge they had in the finals last year or so?

I think I heard Eyes say that Vegas will be four weeks this year, which implies to me that we’re getting a million dollar winner. I assume it will be two weeks for stage 1, one week for stage 2, and one week for stages 3 & 4. Meaning maybe we get to see every single stage 1 run, which will include a ton of finishers advancing to stage 2, and maybe like a dozen or so people advance to stage 3? That would be pretty cool.

Regarding this week, I was bummed that Jamie Rahn didn’t qualify for Vegas. I have him firmly in the same tier as Daniel Gil, in the pack of elites behind Dreschel. And (sadly) agreed that Joe Moravsky is now in that pack as well simply due to lack of time to train. In some respects that’s almost more impressive, though, since everyone else in that pack undoubtedly trains non-stop, while Moravsky is on par with them almost from natural ability alone.

I think I’d put Sean Bryan also in that pack, but toward the top of it.

Agreed. My only caveat is that I think Dreschel would have completed every single course we’ve seen this year.
Speaking of newer obstacles, I had an idea for an obstacle. Essentially, a 20 or 30 foot long tightrope with walls around 4 or 5 feet to either side of it where you can brace your hands for balance, but using the walls puts you at an angle. (Steeper angle if you’re shorter.)

At various points, something blocks the way forward so you can’t remain upright, and the walls go further away from the rope, meaning you essentially have to body prop your way under the obstacles to the point you’re fully horizontal. Ideally this would happen at least twice, and you have to go horizontal once to the right and once to the left. Any potential there? I was trying to think of a “full body” obstacle instead of yet another arms-only rock climbing style obstacle. I also though incorporating balance might nice. Maybe there’s a 5 or 6 foot section at the very end where it’s just a tightrope, no walls.

I mostly agree with what you’re saying. I only watch the last 15 minutes of Monday night’s episode, and I’m kind of thrilled that I missed the most boring ANW show maybe in the show’s history. I’m sure the producers wouldn’t deliberately put an obstacle in that kills every remaining competitor’s run, because that doesn’t make for very interesting TV. Only thing I sort-of disagree with is that they really ought to have known how hard the floating monkey bars are, since that’s not a new obstacle. So maybe they actually do want the 8th obstacle to be that hard??:confused:

Would’ve responded sooner, but it took me a while to properly sort out my feelings and decide just how I was going to respond to Baltimore’s…undesired outcome, let’s put it that way. All right, top to bottom:

Max - Remember when all the talk was “six buzzers”, implying that completing a siffie was supposed to mean something? And remember how that got shot to hell when we had only one person finishing, soon followed by zero persons? And finally, remember how the the first three siffies this year seemed reasonable, at the very least considerably toned down, and we actually had finishers again? Not nearly as many as in the good 'ol days, but enough that it looked like a viable benchmark? So what changed? Only one thing I could see: Power Tower. Close out with a match race (which the team events have proven is a pretty good bet for entertainment) with something potentially huge at stake. But to make sure it really is a clash of the titans, you need credentials, and that means finishing. Who wants to see a Super Bowl between two 9-7 teams? Anyway, that was my thought process…at least until Cincinnati, when two 8-clearers met on the tower and nobody really seemed too choked up over this. As for Graff, yeah, confirmation bias, I didn’t do the research, I get it. But here’s a bonafide superstar who’s accomplished things that were completely unimaginable when she started and set marks that may never be surpassed, and I keep asking myself, how has she never cleared a siffie? This is one of those eternally baffling gaps, like Phil Mickelson and the U.S. Open. It seems like every year we see two or three challenging but reasonable siffies and then SHE gets the one with the god-tier abomination or freakazoid monkey wrench. First Invisible Ladder, then Clear Climb, then Step Slider (oh my Suwako, freaking Step Slider), and now Northwest Passage. I never really believed there’s a big conspiracy against her, but the optics looked really shady on this. At least until Baltimore, which was an even more colossal screwjob.

I’m always willing to change my initial assumptions based on new evidence, but in a sense it was more comforting believing that someone had it in for Graff than the apparent reality that NBC is just throwing obstacles out there and hoping they don’t make a hash of things. The former is coldly cynical; the latter leads to problems.

Speaking of which, the main problem with putting in a monstrosity like Angry Birds…I’m sorry, but front grip to blind back handholds is just insane…isn’t that it makes finishing irrelevant (that ship sailed by around, oh, season 3), but it changes the complexion of the entire contest. It’s not a matter of how far they can push themselves, or even da faddes da fasses (Notice how neither Eyes nor Bodge has said that once so far this season?), it’s a race to a completely arbitrary point that’s not the finish. It’s a shame what happened to Jamie Rahn mainly because he’s never been one of the speed contestants, and taking down as many obstacles possible is supposed to be how an athlete like him tackles the course.

Going forward, I think NBC just needs to start listening to the people and ease up. I mean, yeah, you could make siffies a total clusterfrag, but who benefits? At some point the viewers are going to stop being so forgiving and tune out. Heck, when American Ninja Warrior Nation is this upset, you know there’s a problem. If it’s a choice between too many finishers and too few, I’m always in favor of erring on the side of too many. Hey, 12 make it through no matter what, so what’s the harm?

Ellis Dee - Part of me wants to blow off things like “There WILL be a winner this time!” and “History will be made!” as the usual misleading hype, but the way this season is going, I wouldn’t be surprised if NBC really is giving away endings as a desperation move. One thing I hadn’t considered was how long it’s going to take for the Safety Pass winners to get ready to go again. If they’re soaking wet, they have to take care of that, and then they have to get their heads back in the game, warm up and loosen up again, etc. I get the feeling that’s going to eat up some time and the extra week doesn’t automatically translate to Total Victory. We’ll see.

As for that big announcement re. Cincinnati siffies: ANW Nation already has the scoop on this. I’m not going to spoil it here, of course, but suffice it to say that if it’s true, we’ll never have to hear about you know who again. :slight_smile:

Well that was… weirdly anticlimactic.

Normally it doesn’t bother me that some finals courses are harder than others. After all, all you have to do to get to Vegas is do better than other competitors on the same course you are running. So unless a course was so easy that > 12 people finished it, it wouldn’t matter at all.

But still… when “no woman has finished city finals” has been such a talking point for so long, it seems a bit sad that it’s broken in such an unimpressive way. And I feel guilty saying so, because Michelle Warnky and Flex both seem like genuinely nice people and are obviously excellent ninjas, but still…
Anyhow, on to four nights of Vegas! Will we have a million dollar winner? Will Flip Rodriguez finally make it to stage 3 before his inevitable crushing disappointment? Will a woman beat stage 1 again? Will a woman beat stage 2? What random facet of the show’s production will DKW rant about? Tune in next week and see!

My sentiments as well. I liked the difficulty level of the Cincinnati course; there weren’t a huge number of finishers, but enough to make it fun to watch. And the obstacles were hard enough to knock out the majority of the competitors, but no single obstacle was knocking out everyone.

But then you think back to the strongest female competitors in the previous two weeks and wonder how many of them might have been able to complete it as well, if they had just gotten to run this course instead of one so hard that not even the top male ninjas could complete.

Yeah, it’s taken me a lot longer than usual to respond to Cincinnati siffies, mainly because…I’m not entirely sure how I want to react. When a show goes in a direction that infuriates me, I have a ready response. When a show makes me happy, or excited, or thrilled, or validated, I can’t wait to put words to monitor. These year vacillated so much, every “That was AWESOME!” or “I freaking KNEW it!” promptly shot down in the next episode, that right now I’m just…kinda lost.

First off, let me say what a wholly, unequivocally joyous thing it is when “history gets made”, for the sole reason that we’ll never have to hear about it again. This season we’ve had the first ever brother-sister duo, the first mother, Drew Dreschel’s amazing trifecta, and maybe a couple others I’m forgetting. Now, after what seemed like decades, we can finally be done with Kacy Catanzaro forever. Look, I appreciate her accomplishments and what she brought to the show, but the hard fact is that after 2014 she aged about as well as macaroni salad. Had NBC not grossly overramped siffies, we would’ve had more lady finishers, heck, more finishers of all stripes. And Jessie Graff never being able to escape her shadow was absolutely vexing. If throwing a relative gimme to Michelle Warnky and Jesse Labreck was what it took to make NBC give up the increasingly aggravating narrative of Catanzaro being this indomitable legend, more power. Come to think of it, for all Warnky and Labreck’s accomplishments in the team events (and they are impressive), neither has made a tremendous impact in the normal contest, so I guess this is poetic justice. On a similar note, kudos to Grant McCartney for getting over the hump. I thought he caught a horrible break last year when he cleared 8 obstacles, which in any other city or any other year would’ve been a mortal lock, and he just happened to run into a Murderer’s Row of superstars who just barely squeezed him out. This time he only managed 7 thanks to an inopportune mental blunder, but the field was weak enough that he still managed to slide in. I’ve never been a fan of his cornball “dancing”, but he goddam earned his place last year, so I’m glad that he finally got it. (Plus, as a fellow Hawaiian, I’m kinda obligated to root for him, in spirit if nothing else. :))

It’s pretty obvious that NBC freaked out big time over Seattle and Baltimore. Maybe they overcompensated a tad, but after the travesty that was Angry Birds, I don’t fault them for erring on the side of caution. So is an easier siffie a good or bad thing? You tell me. As far as I’m concerned, a good thing will be cutting out or at least majorly curtailing the utterly disgusting crap such as up-close hi-def face stuffing and cartoon depictions of butt-ugly lunch ladies, whereas a bad thing will be if that does not happen. The siffies are a uniquely American fabrication which has no analogue in the contest its based on, and as such doesn’t even have any real difficulty standards. I guess it would be a good idea to make it tough enough so that you don’t have more than 13 finishers, but other than that, whichever. What I’m really hoping for, and especially now with Warnky and Labreck’s successes, is that everyone stops taking them so damn seriously. Siffies accomplishments don’t mean anything in the grand scheme, and there’s no point pretending they do. Every course is so radically different that the chances of finishing, or even what constitutes a good result, are almost purely a matter of luck. Catanzaro is not better than Graff, even though one completed a siffie and the other didn’t. My hope is that the more milestones fall, the more controversy there is, and the more obvious it becomes that NBC really is just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks, that everyone will eventually see this round as the largely inconsequential silly season that it is and always has been, and we can stop stressing over everything and just enjoy the thrill of seeing who’s going to make it to the real contest.

I think this last city finals gave the Platonic Ideal for perfect results: Half a dozen finishers, then furthest the fastest for the next 6. Two women in the top 10 was just a bonus.

I would point out that it’s not necessarily just that this was an easy course. Warnkey and Labreck didn’t end up with the 31st and 32nd fastest finishing times, behind all 30 men. No, they both finished in the top 10 on merit.

I don’t think either would have finished the course that knocked out Graff, and I do think Graff would’ve finished much faster than them if she got this course – neither woman beat any male finisher on time, but I think Graff would have – but it’s still not nothing. Both women legit beat over 20 men and finished in the true top 10. That’s an impressive accomplishment regardless how hard or easy the course is, since the men face the same course.

Something from weeks ago…

I thought this was insanity of the highest order. However, a few weeks later I posted this:

DKW’s embarrassing conspiracy theory is as good an explanation as any for Howard. If they blow past her run in the finals with a WWWA and her run is anything better than terrible, well, looks like I’ll have to start gathering tinfoil for a hat.