American Rally Drivers?

After answering a question in another thread, it occurred to me that I cannot ever remember a successful American rally driver. How is it that in a country where high speed driving over rough roads seems to be a common activity (Dukes of Hazard anyone?) no one has been able to take on the Europeans.

List of World Rally Championship Drivers’ Champions by nationality

Country…Drivers…Total
Finland…7…14
France…3…11
Italy…2…3
United Kingdom .2…2
Sweden…2…2
West Germany…1…2
Spain…1…2
Norway…1…1

Tanner Foust doesn’t count?

From Wiki:
2005 Rally America PGT Champion [Flatirons Tuning 429 WRX]
2006 Summer X Games Rally Third fastest time in the Stadium Super Special
2006 Rally America PGT Class Championship Second place overall [Flatirons Tuning 429 WRX]
2006 Formula Drift Championship third place overall [McKinney Nissan Silvia]
2007 Rally America Series Fourth Place (with 6 podium placements)[3]
2007 Formula Drift Pro Drift Champion [Rockstar-AEM 350z][4]
2007 X Games Rally Gold Medalist [Rockstar Subaru STI]
2008 X Games Rally Silver Medalist [Rockstar Subaru STI]
2008 Race of Champions Competitor
2008 Formula Drift Pro Drift Champion [Rockstar-AEM 350z][5]
2009 Formula Drift Sixth Place (with 3 podium placements) [Rockstar-Scion Scion TC][6]
2009 Race of Champions Competitor
2009 X Games Rally Bronze Medalist [Rockstar-Etnies Ford Fiesta]
2010 Formula Drift Silver Medalist [Rockstar-Scion Scion TC][7]
2010 X Games Super Rally Gold Medalist [Rockstar-Etnies Ford Fiesta][8]
2010 X Games Rally Gold Medalist [Rockstar-Etnies Ford Fiesta][9]
2010 Race of Champions Competitor
2010 Gymkhana Grid Gold Medalist AWD Division [Rockstar-Etnies Ford Fiesta][10]
2011 World Record for Longest Jump in a four-wheeled vehicle (332 feet)[11]
2011 World Indoor Speed Record till 24.2.2013, new Record holder 25.2.2013 Mikko Hirvonen Finland (Speedcar XTREME)
2011 European Rallycross Championship Silver Medalist [Rockstar-Etnies Ford Fiesta][12]
2011 Global RallyCross Champion [Rockstar-Etnies Ford Fiesta][13]
2011 X Games RallyCross Silver Medal [Rockstar-Etnies Ford Fiesta] [14]
2012 World Record for Largest Loop the Loop in a car (60 feet in diameter)[15]
2012 Global RallyCross Champion [Rockstar-Etnies Ford Fiesta][16]
2013 X Games Munich RallyCross Bronze Medalist [Rockstar Energy Ford Fiesta ST] [17]
2013 X Games Los Angeles Gymkhana Grid Gold Medalist [Rockstar Energy Ford Fiesta ST][18]
2013 X Games Los Angeles RallyCross SIlver Medalist [Rockstar Energy Ford Fiesta ST] [19]

Just not a big sports draw here. Only US rally driver I can think of is Tanner Foust, although I see Wiki lists him as a “rallycross” driver. I’ll be honest and admit I really don’t know if there is a difference between Rally and Rallycross.

Well, no. Not really. A very good driver but he hasn’t done it at the highest level.

How about John Buffam? Looks like he’s the only American ever to win a European rally.

Full disclosure - my husband’s dad did rallys and John is a friend, and he helped teach my husband to drive. Husband in turn taught me to drive, which is why I always accelerate into turns.

If we’re going to driving on dirt, it’s much more fun to drive 'em backwards and crash into each other.

American high speed driving over rough roads was perfected by moon-shiners.
It evolved into NASCAR - one of Americas most popular sports.
So it seems Americans are more evolved than Europeans.

Lots more money in NASCAR.

And if YouTube vids are any guide, the high number of crazy & horrific things rally drivers get into – falling down cliffs, plowing into crowds, etc. – would be a severe liability issue in the lawsuit-happy U.S.A.

That said, the Pike’s Peak Rally is still held every year, and is dominated by Americans.

I have seen NASCAR on TV and it is even more boring than F1. Just a load of high powered cars chasing each other round a track. To drive a rally car on all kinds of surfaces from bitumen to gravel to ice, in all kinds of weather, requires a very high level of skill from a driver as well as extremely good car preparation.

The real question is when is the WRC going to get some TV coverage here again in the states? I miss watching my beloved Finns chase the Frenchy…(hell I think I haven’t seen a race in two years, are Mikko and Jari-Matti still chasing Sebastien?)

Amen. A dude puts them up on youtube if you do some pretty simple searching.

Still, I miss the days Speed TV covered it.

Moved to the Game Room.

Colibri
General Questions Moderator

Parce qu’il est français. La Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile est l’organe directeur de la Formule Un Grand Prix du Championnat du Monde et le Championnat du Monde des Rallyes.

Translation: Because it is French. The Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile is the governing body for the Formula One World Championship Grand Prix and the World Rally Championship.

For any sporting event to grow in popularity to the degree that participants will repeatedly cross oceans en masse throughout the season, it will require television coverage, for without television, there will not be much sponsorship, and without a lot of sponsorship, participants will not be able to afford the travel. American motorsport television coverage is already pretty much locked up by stock car racing. Secondarily, for Americans, this would be particularly onerous, for given that most WRC events are in Europe, American teams would pretty much have to relocate there (the way skiers and soccer players do). That in turn would distance (literally and figurative) the stars from their fan base, limiting their marketability.

Concerning competing against stock car racing for market share, note that Americans like watching Americans participating in American events. That means watching American drivers on American teams in races held in the USA, rather than mostly Europeans on mostly European teams in races mostly in Europe. Also note that stock car racing is relatively easy to host and is ideal for television, for the race is in a confined venue in which all spectators can gather together to watch the entire event in comfort and relative safety, and which is easily televised due to the confined venue and due to the primary activity tending to be head-to-head in a pack. With rally, there is nowhere near as big a crowd event, and spectators only get to watch a few seconds of brief drive-byes of individual cars, without an overview of the ongoing competition. Televised rally racing is disjointed, and entirely lacks a sense of competition other than the announcer giving interval times. In short, stock car racing may be dull compared to rally racing, but it is better suited to being a major televised event than rally racing.

Then there is the whole safety thing. Spectators at stock car races are for the most part protected from the vehicles. Yes, there are incidents in which spectators are injured or killed, but the rate isn’t that high. With rally racing, it’s pretty much up to the marshals to tape off unsafe areas and shoo spectators away, and in the WRC they have been doing a relatively good job. That works well enough when there are not many spectators, but becomes unmanageable for rally racing with large crowds, whereas it does not become unmanageable for stock car racing with large crowds. A big crowd for a major rally race is about 10,000. When 40,000 turned up this summer in Sardinia, there were so many spectators on the course that a section was cancelled when not all the racers could take their turns. Now imagine what would happen if a quarter of a million spectators turned up, à les Brickyard 400 and Daytona 500? I expect that the popularity necessary to take market share away from stock racing would smother rally racing, for I doubt if it could safely handle crowds on that scale, particularly given how litigious Americans are. It isn’t for nothing that the Baja offroad races are essentially American races held in Mexico.

Finally, there is the whole issue of signing on for what is a foreign controlled outfit. That will increase the embuggerance factor, and decrease self-determination, which in turn will tie up resources while at the same time reducing the ability to respond on a timely basis to the demands of the teams, the spectators and the sponsors. IIRC, ACCUS is the US liaison to the FIA. SSCA is the rally member of ACCUS, but SCCA sold off its interest in special stage rally racing to Rally America, which as far as I know is unaffiliated. This plays back to the safety issue, for SCCA’s rallycross is contained in a constructed spectator environment (just as NASCAR, INDY and F1 are contained in a constructed spectator environments), whereas Rally America’s equivalent of special stage racing isn’t (SCCA’s rally these days is traditional “don’t exceed the speed limit” competitive non-racing rallying without the special stage balls to the wall racing). If Rally America signs up with WRC, it won’t have as much control over its own destiny, and thereby the destiny of rally racing, as it does now. That would add embuggerance without much to show for it.

I expect that the internet will remain the easiest access to watching WRC races, and that rally racing will not take much market share in the USA from stock car racing. Without the major broadcast market and all the hoopla that goes along with it, a lot of folks won’t learn about rally racing, let along get into it. Without people getting into it, the top racers in the USA will continue to orient to NASCAR and INDY, leaving rally racing in the minors in the USA.

I think that’s a pity, for although rally racing lacks head to head competition, it has real driving under real conditions (which is why I like the Baja off road races and the – mostly head to head real driving under real conditions).

Yeah, but, but… We Won the War!

Fox Sports airs the WRC’s 1 hour highlight package, but weeks after the event. They aired the Finland highlights last weekend. Worse, they just label the airing as “Auto Racing” so its basically impossible to set the DVR to find it.

Apparently something called MAVTV airs WRC too, maybe closer to “live” than Fox Sports does. In the recent past after Speed TV dropped WRC and before Speed TV was killed off, a network called Velocity aired WRC.

As for Americans in WRC, Ken Block ran a scattered few WRC level rally[e]s in recent years, but not this year.

Amazingly there is a domestic American rally series, called Rally America, so it is possible to do rally races in the United States despite how hard it must be to do insurance coverage for it!

I’ve laid out about 4 stages in Northern Nevada that would make a killer WRC event, promote tourism to the area get WRC on the map in the USA. Run em both ways, add in some other stuff readily available, you would have an entire round. Mix of paved and dirt, it would be fantastic!

It’ll never happen. :frowning: