American School Systems

Hi,

I was wondering if one of you lovely Americans out there could explain your education system to me?

How old are children when they start school? How are the older and younger children divided into different schools, and at what age do they move from one school to another? How old are they in different grades (thats what you call each year right?!)? And what are sophomores?! What age do you graduate and when do you take serious school exams? What are they called? Are students made to do certain subjects at certain ages and can they drop some subjects after a certain age?

Please excuse my ignorance, I am just wondering how much it differs from the UK school system :slight_smile:

It’s a bit different from state to state, or even school district to school district, but this is how it worked for me:

Elementary:
Kindergarten: 5 years (you had to be 5 when school started in August)
First Grade - Third Grade (6-8)
Fourth Grade - Sixth Grade (9-11) (sometimes called intermediate, even though it was at the elementary school)

Middle school:
Seventh and 8th grade (12-13) (a lot of middle schools include sixth and/or ninth grade)

High school:
9th - 12th grade (14 - 17), Freshman, sophomore, junior, senior.

The only serious exam is first given when you’re a sophomore, it’s really pretty easy. I think they’re called the NMEE (New Mexico Equivalency Exam?) You have to take 4 years of English and social sciences, 3 years of math, etc., but there are plenty of electives to take (wood shop, metal shop, cooking, home econ., etc.)

Ages above are at the beginning of the school year, most people graduate at 18.

The U.S. has a federal system and the control of most things, especially the education systems, are controlled at the state level but yet there are many differences and subdivisions even below that. Unfortunately, most of your questions are unanswerable because of this fact.

The most general answer is that children start school at age 5 and go into kindergarten although some that may vary a year in either direction because of specifics. After kindergarten, we generally have grades 1 - 12. Grades 1 - 6 are often called elementary school. Grades 7 - 8 are often called middle school or junior high although this varies a lot. High school is fairly well standardized in terminology.

Grade 9 = Freshman
Grade ten = Sophomore
Grade 11 = Junior
Grade 12 = Senior

This terminology also carries over to the typical four years of college or university.

Students generally graduate high school at 17 or 18 but some students are held back a year or so due to performance and gifted students sometimes graduate early. The college years are typically 18 - 21 or 22.

Children are required to start in the First Grade (age 6), but many (most?) people start their children off in preschools first. The school I attend is a little different, being K-12 (everyone from age 4 to age 18 is in the same complex, although we’re still divided into “schools” as below), but many school systems now separate kids into different schools as Grades 1-4 (6-9, counting from the student’s age at the start of the school year) in Lower or Elementary School, Grades 5-8 (10-13) in Middle School or Junior High, and Grades 9-12 (14-17) in High School. There exist other variations, though, mainly giving extra years to Lower School (I’ve never encountered anywhere that doesn’t start High School at Grade 9).

Students usually start taking either semester exams or what are called “six weeks’ tests” in Middle School. The really serious exams, the ones to get into college, are administered by private organizations, two competing companies, the ACT company and the SAT company. They each have a “practice” test (the PLAN for ACT, normally administered in Grade 10 and the PSAT for SAT, normally administered in Grade 11), although the PSAT (only if you take it in Grade 11) is used for a very prestigious award, the National Merit Scholarship. The ones used for college admission are normally taken in 12th Grade (although there is no age restriction, and many people take it in 11th Grade if they want to choose which college they’ll go to early to gain a better chance of acceptance).

Almost all schools require 4 years of English, Science, Math, and History, but it varies a lot past that.

I, being 16 and in the 10th Grade, am a sophomore.

Valete,
Vox Imperatoris

ETA: I forgot to mention that I attend a private school, and so we do not have to take state exams to insure the competency of the school, like what Santos Rugger mentioned for New Mexico.

Education in the US is subject to a significant degree of local (state/county/municipal) control, so there is not one answer to these questions that is true for all jurisdictions.

Formal schooling begins between ages 4 and 6, usually with kindergarten, which is a transitional grade between preschool and. Some public school jurisdictions have all-day kindergarten, some have part-day kindergarten, some do not have it at all. It’s mandatory in some jurisdictions and optional in others.

The rest of primary schooling comprises grades 1 through 8. In most cases, students begin in first grade and advance one grade per school year. It is possible for significantly advanced students to skip grades (though I believe that this is unfashionable at present because this is thought to hurt peer/social development) and it is possible for students to be held back in a primary grade (though I think this is also rare and unfashionable.)

Typically, grades 1 through 5 or 6 are considered “elementary” or “grammar” school, while 6 through 8 are “middle school” or “junior high.” Most good-sized districts have these in different buildings with different administrations.

High school is usually grades 9 through 12, which are colloquially called the “freshman,” “sophomore,” “junior,” and “senior” years, respectively.

High school curricula are generally shaped by various state’s Departments of Education’s standards. When I went to high school (in Illinois, about 15 years ago) I was required to take four years of English, three years of history and social science, two years of math, and many others besides. Unlike the UK, there are not mandatory exams in individual subjects, though some states are experimenting with statewide testing. College-bound students typically take either or both of the SAT and ACT, which are administered by private companies and are used to varying degrees by colleges in making admissions decisions.

The most important thing to understand about the American educational system is that there is no American educational system.

Public schooling is the responsibility of the states, not the national government. (“Public” meaning government-run, not like the meaning of “public school” in the UK).

Further, most states delegate the day-to-day business of running schools to local school districts, typically run by a board which may have elected or appointed members. So, standards about ages, subject matter, performance, teaching requirements, and the level of autonomy of school boards vary considerably among the states.

The federal government does provide significant subsidies to state and local governments to run schools, and these subsidies come with federal requirements attached. This is the only way that Congress can affect local schools directly, barring some other area of federal jurisdiction that also happens to affect schools.

Typically, students will start kindergarten or first grade at around age five or six. Many parents will send their children to nursery school before then, and there are a tiny number of public nursery schools, though most are run by private organizations. Not all school systems have a kindergarten; some start at first grade.

The organization of school levels varies enormously. My public school district had four elementary schools teaching K-6 (that’s ages 5-12, roughly), a single middle school serving grades 7 and 8, and a high school serving grades 9-12. Other places but grades 6, 7 and 8 at the middle level, others 5, 6, 7, and 8. Still others put 6, 7, 8, and 9 at the middle level and 10-12 at the high school.

Most people start first grade at six years old, so add five to the number. Most people graduate high school (12th grade) at age 18.

Generally, a 10th-grader. In a four year high school, grades are referred to as freshman, sophomore, junior, and senior. This pattern is repeated at four-year colleges.

Depends what you mean by “serious.” :stuck_out_tongue:

Beginning around middle school in most places, students will have to take final exams (either twice yearly or once at the end of the year) to prove proficiency in each subject. Many states have statewide standardized exams for high-school level subjects; in New York, these are called the Regents Exams. You can’t graduate without a certain number of Regents credits. Many states use standardized tests for benchmark basic skills in elementary school, as well.

For college admissions, the most important tests are the SAT and ACT, both of which are optional (most college-bound students take only one.) Both of these tests are given by private organizations funded by colleges.

Additionally, most high schools offer some number of Advanced Placement (AP) courses – these are college-level courses for smarter students and culminate with an AP exam at the end. If you score high enough on the AP exam, most colleges will accept that as class credit. Finally, the SAT people also offer optional subject-specific tests (at the non-AP level) which used to be called SAT-II’s. Colleges like to see a few good scores on the SAT-II.

There are minimum requirements to graduate high school in every state. In New York, when I went to high school, those requirements included four years of English and history classes, at least two years of foreign language classes, a certain level of math proficiency, and various science topics including biology, chemistry, and earth science. All of these required the above-mentioned Regents exams.

In America, when your teacher raps you on the knuckles for making noise, you can sue them for ten billion dollars.

Local school boards and state boards of education oversee these so there are some regional variations in nomenclature and structure. Also, since everyone is not born at the same time, grades and ages aren’t completely uniform. The general idea is you start Kindergarten at age 5 and graduate high school at age 18. For the most part it goes:

Pre-K (the K is short for Kindergarten). This year is generally not compulsory. It is for children 4 years old.

Elementary/Primary School. These grades are compulsory, at least until the age of 16 - if you haven’t completed 5th grade by 16, God help you. Elementary school begins with Kindergarten, which is for 5 year olds, then goes to 1st grade for 6 year olds, and so on, up to 5th grade, which is for 10 year olds.

Middle/Junior High School. Compulsory to age 16. For me, this was 6th through 8th grades, though I think I recall hearing that in some places, elementary school goes to 6th grade and 7th through 8th and sometimes 9th are grouped into what is known as Junior High.

High school (Secondary School). Compulsory to age 16. This for me was 9th through 12th grade. Graduates are generally 18, which coincides with voting and draft age.

At this point, if you want to go on to college/university, you take the SAT (Scholastic Aptitude Test), a privately run test that cornered the market (though its grip might be slipping) on college admissions testing.

Things get a little more uniform at the college/university level. Public colleges and universities are generally run by a board of regents and are part of the state system. Private colleges have a board of directors/trustee. A college/university bachelor’s program is generally four years long. Traditionally, students begin college when they’re 18 and finish within four to five (or seven) years.

Grade nicknames are:
9th grade/first year of college - Freshman
10th grade/second year of college - Sophomore
11th grade/third year of college - Junior
12th grade/fourth year of college - Senior

As other posters have stated this varies tremendously, there is no answer to applies to the whole US. Where I grew up in New York State we had elementary which was grades K through 4, Middle School which was grades 5 through 8, and High School which was grades 9 through 12.

Again, when I went to school it was possible to get a high school diploma and pretty much never have to take serious school exams. At the time New York State had a thing called a Regent’s Diploma (they still might) which indicated you took a particular array of courses that were of a level of difficulty that was regulated by the State of New York, so many people at my high school including myself got two diplomas on graduation, one from the High School which didn’t mean much of anything, and a Regent’s Diploma.

Now I live in Massachusetts which recently instituted a series of exams called the MCAS. You can read more about this here: http://www.doe.mass.edu/mcas/overview.html
I haven’t followed it too closely because my child is not in the public school system but I do know it was unbelievably controversial when it was instituted, people were predicting dogs and cats living together, Nazis riding dinosaurs down the streets, the whole deal. Now several years later civilization seems to still be limping along.

There are no required exams given at the national level. Many students voluntarily take the SATs in order to be able to report their scores when they apply to colleges (although I understand the SATs seem to be losing importance).

Again, no answer that applies to the whole country. You might have heard of the No Child Left Behind act, this is about as close as the US has come so far to try to standardize education nationwide and it has also been very controversial.

I have studied both in Hong Kong (which is very similar to the British system) and the US, and here are my 2 cents:

There are no “serious exams” in the US that are anywhere nearly as intense as the British GCSE and A levels. SAT and ACT are not really in the same league.

Another difference is that the British curriculum tends to be more integrated than the American one. For example, an American student may take algebra in grade 9, geometry in grade 10, trig in grade 11, calculus in grade 12, whereas this is all just Maths for several years in the British system. As another example, in the US, a student may take biology in grade 10, chemistry in grade 11 and physics in grade 12, whereas a student in the UK may just study all three subjects at the same time, but spread out over several years.

US students also tend to have more freedom to choose what they want to study than under the British system.

As a former elementary school teacher and college professor I will explain a little of the high school to college stuff. Everything else has pretty much been covered.

The important difference between the US and the UK system is that we do not “sort” as strictly as you do. (I know comprehensive secondary schools might make this somewhat redundant, though.)

While there is tracking in schools - in other words, there are honors tracks, basic tracks, and remedial tracks - we generally do not sort kids in separate schools according to track. At any comprehensive high school you will find kids in all of these groups. (Of course, elite boarding schools tend to have kids who are all in the honors track.)

Honors students are usually planning to attend college/university. The difference between the two is largely semantic, though a university is typically a larger institution composed of colleges, where students can major in any number of topics. Colleges tend to be smaller and typically focus on the arts and the humanities, though there are science and engineering colleges. Honors students prepare for postsecondary education by taking the admissions tests (mainly the SAT and the ACT), but some colleges do not require either one. They will also often take what are called AP (advanced placement) courses in high school, and sit for a national exam at the end of the course. If they score well enough they can earn credit and a grade for a college course - so kids who take lots of AP courses can enter college with enough credits to be halfway finished before they even start!

All states now require an exit exam for all students, regardless of track and future ambition. Some states will give a diploma without a pass score, but others will not. The tests are up to each state, and vary in difficulty and alignment to curriculum. States that have done poorly tend to lower the pass score so they can ensure that a decent percentage of students actually graduate - Arkansas is one state that has done this over time.

Regular track kids might take an honors class here and there, or even an AP course, if they can get in.

Remedial or low track kids typically do not take honors or AP courses - they can’t keep up, and there are usually barriers to keep them from getting in.

But any kid can go to college after high school, and most schools have a number of ways to enroll. Contrary to popular belief most colleges in America are open enrollment - you just have to be a high school graduate to qualify for admission. The selective schools tend to look at honors students and those who have taken AP and honors courses, but it’s not unheard of for students from underresourced schools with mediocre grades to get into really selective schools - even your Harvards and your Wesleyans. Conversely, being an honors student with perfect grades and perfect scores will not ensure that you’ll get into Harvard or Wesleyan.

Confused yet?

Quoted for truth. I’ve seen the sample A level questions for US History… I have a masters and a doctorate from Harvard and I couldn’t answer half of the questions. Keep in mind this is for a British-educated student to study American history.

Also, the SAT/ACT are mostly multiple choice, though there are some essay questions. So part of the challenge is mastering the testing process.

A comparitively minor point given the context of the thread, but there’s no compulsory tests or exams after the age of 11 now in Britain, the national tests at 14 having recently been scrapped. However, it’s compulsory for certain subjects to be studied, and the vast majority take GCSEs in at least these.

Yes, you’re right, in that the principle of comprehensive education still strongly applies in Britain, even if the name is tainted with unfashionable left-wing assocations. “Selection by the back door” is a strong accusation against any sort of use of specialisation for individual schools or for giving them greater autonomy, and there was a recent study (forgive me for not being able to find a link) heavily criticising a significant minority of schools for lax procedures in avoiding bias in their intake - things such as inquiring about parents’ occupations, or marriage status, are supposed to be strictly avoided, although understandably many teachers find it hard to do so when they’re so used to having normal conversations with 11-year-olds about such things!

Here, the kid’s parents would sell the story to a tabloid newspaper instead :stuck_out_tongue:

I’d be interested on other people’s opinions on this, too. There’s a link to sample A Level papers here. From the option on American Civil Rights:

*How far did US presidents hinder rather than help the development of African American civil rights in the period from 1865 to 1992?

To what extent were the 1890s the main turning-point in the development of trade union and labour rights in the period from 1865 to 1992?

‘The concept of the “melting pot” did not apply to Native Americans throughout the period from 1865 to 1992.’ How far do you agree with this view?*
Choose two questions. You have two hours. :slight_smile:
(Of course, bear in mind that at this level, they’re only studying three or four subjects, one of which will most likely be the subject or field they pursue in higher education for a full Bachelor’s degree.)

Those questions strike me as being remarkably easy.

Compare to:
NYS Regents exam in U.S. History (2002)
http://www.nysedregents.org/testing/socstre/socstudarch/ushgtestau02.pdf
Part II (essay portion)
Various events or developments have influenced the territorial expansion of the United States. In 1800, the United States was a new nation of approximately 895,000 square miles of territory. By 1900, the nation had grown to about 3,000,000 square miles of territory.
Task:
Identify two events or developments that had a significant impact on United States territorial expansion between 1800 and 1900 and for each
event or development identified:
• Discuss the historical circumstances surrounding the event or development
• Evaluate the importance of the event or development on the growth of
the United States

Again, with exceptions, of course. The public school I attended for 7th and 8th grade was exclusively “major work” (that being the term in the Cleveland schools for the honors track). That was a rarity, though: I think it was the only school (of any level) in the Cleveland system that was exclusively honors.

This seems to me a much simpler question - or, at least, a much easier question to be taught to answer. The crucial element is ‘identify two events or developments’, saving the candidate one extremely important piece of judgement in how to structure an answer, using the knowledge they have, to give a full and coherent answer.

The following quote can give certain insights into quality in American Education.

To expand on what I meant when I said the exams are “intense”, I’ll note that many (most?) schools in the UK system give their students several weeks of “study leave” specifically to prepare for the exams full time at home. The exams themselves also last over a period of several weeks. I don’t know of anything comparable in the US system at the high school level.

In reality, the study leave tends to only cover the full timespan of the exams…with various exams boards, each offering dozens of subjects, each with numerous papers, the only possibly way of coordinating it is across several weeks, to avoid the headache of clashes.* They certainly don’t get several weeks off before any exams start!

*Clashes do still occur, the common solutions being an exam time being moved for particular candidates and them having a supervised break between, and extra exam in a single day, or in extremes being supervised from one day to the next, which I’ve heard of only when a senior member of staff was able and willing to house both candidate and a parent for the night.

Having achieved 10 ‘O’ levels and 4 ‘A’ levels back in the dark ages, I can attest that nothing I see my (American) children studying today can even come close to what I had to go through back in the late 70s. My A levels were in Maths, Physics, Biology and Chemistry and my brain was pure blubber by the time I took the exams. I work with people who come fresh out of US Unis with engineering degrees and still haven’t covered some areas that I learned in ‘High School’.

To be fair, comparing historically has other dangers…it’s easy to highlight things that are in old exams that aren’t in modern ones, but what is even more easily ignored is what’s in the modern ones that hasn’t been there before.