America's Got Talent 2023

I’m a little surprised there isn’t much talk about this show any more…

Anyway, did anyone else notice how obviously disappointed Sofia Vergara was when her Golden Buzzer finished third (the other three judges were clapping when the second finalist was announced) - and then she had to watch while an act that got fewer votes than this one in the “main” voting got voted through to the final in the Wild Card vote? I just wonder if “coincidentally” the singer ends up in the Vegas show after all - they have had non-finalists in it in the past.

Speaking of which, they seem to make a big deal about the show, but what they don’t tell you is, they no longer tell you in advance who’s going to be in it. The website just says something like, “Because AGT has such a wide variety of acts, the acts in the show are subject to change.” For example, I don’t remember ever hearing that last year’s winner, Mayaas, ever appeared in the show.

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Anyway, did anyone else notice how obviously disappointed Sofia Vergara was when her Golden Buzzer finished third (the other three judges were clapping when the second finalist was announced) - and then she had to watch while an act that got fewer votes than this one in the “main” voting got voted through to the final in the Wild Card vote? I just wonder if “coincidentally” the singer ends up in the Vegas show after all - they have had non-finalists in it in the past.[/quote]
“Coincidentally,” NBC just announced a new show for this season, where each judge “drafts” 10 acts (selected from a pool of 60 by fans on the show’s app); the idea is, in addition to naming an act as the winner, one of the judges will also be named as having the winning act on their team - yes, pretty much just like how The Voice works; in fact, this series will also have the ability for judges to steal acts from other teams.
I say “coincidentally” because the judges will be Simon, Howie, Heidi…and Mel B.

My husband and I have been watching this for the last 5 years or so. I got tired of it about 2 weeks ago and erased it from my DVR. It drags on way too long. I didn’t care anymore who won!

Well, this is ridiculous. The two finalists are a dog act, and a card trick magician. Look out Penn & Teller!

Well, the card magician was actually pretty good, especially with that Queen of Hearts trick where Terry helped. Reminded me of Shin Lim, whom I’ve seen in Las Vegas. She’d be perfect for the AGT show at the Luxor.

What I don’t get are the choirs and dance troupes. I imagine that they’re not in it to join the AGT show in Las Vegas. I have no problem if they only want the money if they win, before returning home, but it seems to me that part of the fun of being a winner would be to join the show at the Luxor.

A good card trick is a low bar, as magic goes. I used to watch Fool Us a lot, and after a while, card tricks just weren’t very entertaining. I thought the Avante Garde dancers were way more entertaining.

Okay, but I’d suggest that an excellent card trick is a very high bar. That Queen of Hearts trick—I don’t know how you could work a force on everybody in the auditorium. One person is difficult enough, but hundreds? Plus the date and time? Love to hear what Penn and Teller would think of it.

Me, I rather like card tricks. To each their own, right? :slight_smile:

The finale is still on in my location, and I’m quite enjoying it. Not sure about the segment with the dog act cooking in the kitchen, but I was laughing like crazy when the silent comedian (Aaron?) telephoned the judges and various others with recordings of Simon, suggesting that the silent comedian should win, or at least get a big chunk of cash.

I was dead serious when I said that I was done with this show. However, there are still people in the house interested in it (supposedly; I never witnessed them watching it), and one day I got tired of watching the Japan Grand Prix, and there are all these unwatched episodes, and I say, screw it, I can watch the final under the condition that I don’t have to listen to a second of the judges, and surprisingly they were fine with that, and I watched the final, and it was largely tolerable. :man_shrugging:

My impressions:

Adrian Stoica & Hurricane (dog stuff) - I’m not a fan of animal acts to begin with, and I really don’t like how much the bar is lowered for them (same with disabilities, which I’ll get to later). Besides that, this didn’t strike me as all that impressive. Rise up, grab something, rise up again, pull on something, run around…yawn. It reminded me of a humor sketch on a PBS children’s show.

Mzansi Youth Choir - Ooh, use a well-known bilingual song, but substitute your own language for the Korean bits, nifty concept! My problem is how they cheated the high and low notes; very noticeable during the “you make my world light up inside” parts. That’s pretty unforgivable with that many singers. It’s a shame because they have really great harmony and look like they genuinely love what they’re doing.

Avantgardey (group dance) - I have to give them a lot of credit for keeping it real and not making any attempt to pander. No loli dresses and flowers, no kissy-kissy with the judges, no baby-doll makeovers, none of that insufferable KAAHH-WAII-YEEEEEE bullcrap that’s like a taser to my skull. They decided what their look and style is and they’re going to live and die by it. That’s the kind of integrity I respect a lot. The routine wasn’t spectacular (if you’ve seen videos like this, you know the drill), but it was smooth as silk and plenty entertaining. Wouldn’t pay to see them live, but a DVD (those still exist, dammit!), yeah, I’d pick it up in a second.

(Aside: I don’t know how else to ask this, so I’ll leave it here. What’s the prevailing attitude in Japan regarding women in skirts performing an activity where the skirts are absolutely going to go places? I understand that there’s something of a backlash against pantyshots in that country [and tight, stretchy bike shorts were not the answer, shockingly enough], but I never liked the pants-and-skirt look. Just overkill, and it must get uncomfortably hot during a routine. What’s wrong with dance briefs or boyshorts, anyway?)

Lavender Darcangelo (singing) - She has a handicap making it impossible to stand still. Dunno why that’s any kind of deal for a singer. Overall, meh.

Chibi Unity (group dance) - Looked more like amateur theater than dancing. Losing a member to injury was a major blow and I don’t think they ever really recovered. Kinda just there.

82nd Airborne Division (singing) - Nothing special, but at least they picked a song within their range. Could’ve done without the salute at the end. (I work for a living, dammit! :slightly_smiling_face:)

Anna Deguzman (card tricks) - An elite magician, especially one that interacts with the audience, must be completely on point with the delivery, and she sounded like an overwhelmed grade school teacher vainly trying to get her students to stop throwing things at each other. I was genuinely afraid at points that she was going to go full Dustin Tavella and get hopelessly lost in the wilderness. I guess the trick was good, but I was too distracted to notice.

Ahren Belisle (:face_with_symbols_over_mouth:) - Haahhh…I have stuff to do Sunday, so I’ll keep this brief. He somehow manages to combine the worst parts of Josh Blue and Ben Lapidus. A zero-talent, zero-skills, zero-hope waste of oxygen who got infinite free passes because he’s disabled. The way about 90% of his act is insulting people better than him is vile, and again: If you glorify being a total worthless jerk, you are one, so how “real” his act is makes no difference. (Did I mention that it went on freaking forever?) That AGT feels the need to give at least one of these human cesspools an inordinate amount of airtime every season is one of the main reasons I’ve stopped giving a crap.

Putri Ariani (singing & piano) - Being blind does make it a lot harder to play piano, so she clearly has one over Lavender Darcangelo! :grin: Still not my thing.

Ramadhani Brothers (acrobatics) - I’m with that Primetimer member: They have the makings of a Vegas act, but they have to learn something other than head balancing. Technically great but the pace was too sluggish for my liking.

Murmuration (group arm artistry) - I kept trying to see what’s so impressive about them, and from beginning to end I never got past “pretty good halftime show”. I mean, yeah, it looks nice, but is thirty people sitting in place and gesturing really a Vegas act? I think that it’d have to increase in scope considerably and include some spectacular visual elements to have any chance whatsoever.

All of this goes back to a long-running beef I’ve had with this show: Because the voters are dumb philistines, all the good acts get bumped off early, leaving a final full of thin gruel. Seriously, I look at that list again and I have zero idea who I want to win. If I were really pressed for a vote, I guess I’d go with Avantgardey, but it would not have been with any level of enthusiasm.

This show’s been sputtering for several seasons now, and at this point I’m just waiting to see how and when the bottom’s finally going to fall out. I’d consider a move to streaming the beginning of the end.

Given the facts that:
(a) it’s relatively cheap to produce (the only prizes are a cash prize that’s nowhere near $1 million as nobody is going to say, “Sure, pay me $25,000 a year for 40 years” and a car),
and (b) it’s still very popular, for a summer show (and Simon Cowell has almost certainly learned a lesson from when Nigel Lythgoe tried to move So You Think You Can Dance? from the summer to the fall one season - it’s going to stay a summer show).
I don’t think NBC is going to get rid of it any time soon. Then again, you can almost say the same thing for American Ninja Warrior, and the rumor is that it is moving after next season, which, for some strange reason, has already been taped.

And I would ask you who you think should have been in the final, if “all of the good acts get bumped off early,” but I am under the impression that you didn’t watch any of the semi-finals (and note that they got rid of a round of voting a few years ago - the judges (or, at least, that’s what they claim - I have a feeling the producers have a say in this as well) choose all 55 of the semi-final acts).

What I would like to know is, how popular is the Vegas show?

Buddy, believe me when I say that one episode a season is the absolute maximum I will tolerate of this dreck, and the only reason I endured that much was that the Primetimer discussion somehow sparked my curiosity. As such, I have zero interest or intention of arguing about who really deserved it. You know who really deserved it? Unicircle Flow. When they became the latest truly remarkable act to get shown the door, I knew there was no longer any point in giving a rip. Of course, I’d be plenty happy to hear your favorites, if you have any.

I think the best close-up card magicians have been discovered at this point. Shin Lim, Kostya Kimlat, a few others like Shawn Farquar.

It takes a tremendous amount at this point to impress regular magic watchers.

A card trick might hold my attention if the cards were on fire.

Actually, Howie sort of exposed the trick - you could just see the card he put into his envelope, and it clearly wasn’t a face card.

As for Ahren Belisle getting “a big chunk of cash,” he will get what everybody besides the winners get - zero. The only time I remember anybody besides the winner getting anything (besides the one year there was a tour for all of the finalists - now, nobody besides the winner is guaranteed a spot in the Vegas show) was in season 1, when second and third places each got a car.

Of the finalists? If it was my choice, I would have went with Ahren Belisle. Apparently, we agree to disagree on how talented/funny he is. If you want to know who I thought would win, I thought for sure it would be Putri Ariani; her main strike against her might have been, she’s just too much like Kodi Lee.

Of the entire season? None of them really stood out. One problem is, I usually prefer choosing acts that I can think can carry an entire 90-minute Vegas show - something most acts can’t do. For example, I don’t see Adrian Stoica & Hurricane being able to do it. Even Jabbawockeez had problems with this - when I saw their act, I thought, “It’s a good 60-minute show; the problem is, it runs for 90.”

Of all time? By Far, Terry Fator. When Season 1 ended up being American Idol for singers outside of that show’s 16-28 (at the time) age range, and Season 2 started looking like it was becoming the same thing, Fator pretty much saved the show.

One other thing about the show; despite the fact that Simon has an investment interest in the Vegas show, one of the advertised acts is Human Fountains, which (a) didn’t even get past the quarter-finals in season 13, and (b) got buzzed by Simon in their quarter-final appearance.

I’ve been trying to figure out who Anna Deguzman looks like:

I came up with Mikey Madison from Better Things and Once Upon a Time in the West.

I think her appeal, besides being cute, was her personality much more than her (pretty simple) trick. Kind of like how Summer, the pizza store manager/singer, got some good buzz from her spunky interview in her first appearance.

Oh, hey, you actually gave a comprehensive response (all I really needed was that first item), cool. :+1: I don’t like it that Belisle got enough support to reach the final, but I realize that appreciation for puerile insult humor can’t be taught. What-flipping-ever, his loyal followers will be glad to feed him and the rest of the world will go back to not knowing that he exists. Works for me.

I doubt that there’s ever going to be much interest on this board again. The talent pool’s just too drained, largely due to top quality acts not wanting to be a part of this anymore. Kristy Sellars and The Mayyas might’ve been the last hurrah.

Oh, I’m aware of that. I’m sure Ahren was too. Thing is, that his efforts to phone the other judges, posing as Simon, produced a five to seven minute funny segment that made me laugh. Of course, I’m sure that the segment was planned and produced, as were many other segments on the final show. But it still made me laugh.